I cannot believe the way they lost...

that is ridiculous, especially after Delgado smashed another clutch homer.

I hate to see a huge clutch hit like that wasted...

I cannot believe the way they lost...

that is ridiculous, especially after Delgado smashed another clutch homer.

I hate to see a huge clutch hit like that wasted...



Could have been worse. The Mets could have gone down quietly in the 9th. Sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way. We're still in great shape in the division. Remember, Philly is on a NINE game winning streak, and STILL trails the Mets by 3 games. They won't get streaks like that all year.

Guys your farm system is loaded. Why are you even worried about what they are doing this year? Seriously. You are all set. Give it 10 - 12 years, big things await.

Guys your farm system is loaded. Why are you even worried about what they are doing this year? Seriously. You are all set. Give it 10 - 12 years, big things await.
max is right,,
we have a great farm system,,
we are now in a 10-12 year cycle of Met playoff teams and winning more games than yanks,,

for a yankee fan max can sometimes hit on a great point,, baseball is cycles, mets are beginning a 10 year cycle now,,

max is right,,
we have a great farm system,,
we are now in a 10-12 year cycle of Met playoff teams and winning more games than yanks,,

for a yankee fan max can sometimes hit on a great point,, baseball is cycles, mets are beginning a 10 year cycle now,,

yes indeed.

This is why we should not trade Milledge.

I would rather have a very good shot at dominating the next 12 years then taking a stab at one year. It just doesnt work out that way.

Name the Mets starting rotation in 5 years?

Please exclude the Big 3: Izzy, Pulsipher and whoever the 3rd was. LOL. Also David West is not an option. Nor is Ron Darling or Sid Fernandez. If Doc is on parole you can include him as the 5th starter.

yes indeed.

This is why we should not trade Milledge.

I would rather have a very good shot at dominating the next 12 years then taking a stab at one year. It just doesnt work out that way.

A good AL pitcher in the weak hitting NL for a guy who's never played big league game? Plus he's an outfielder, a position that can be much easier replaced that a quality arm.

You make that deal. There's only one team the Mets will have to beat this season to get to the WS, the Cardinals. Zito would be a great addition.

A good AL pitcher in the weak hitting NL for a guy who's never played big league game? Plus he's an outfielder, a position that can be much easier replaced that a quality arm.

You make that deal. There's only one team the Mets will have to beat this season to get to the WS, the Cardinals. Zito would be a great addition.

sure, for Vicky Diaz.

we are not trading Milledge.

Mets fans are not anxious to sip from the same well that poisened the Tankees.

sure, for Vicky Diaz.

we are not trading Milledge.

Mets fans are not anxious to sip from the same well that poisened the Tankees.

What has poisened the Yankees? Theyve won 8 straight AL east titles.

What has poisened the Yankees? Theyve won 8 straight AL east titles.

in the last 5 years? :eek:

WIth the National League being as pathetic as it is hitting wise, a move for a quality lefty is a no brainer.

in the last 5 years? :eek:

Huh? Yeah, in a perfect world the Yanks would win the WS every year. At least they have a chance to every season, something the Mets rarely ever have.

When I was young, impetuous and naive on how baseball teams are built, I always wanted to save "potential stars" and build the "dynasty".

Funny thing happens to all those potential stars-Magadan, Leary, David West, Ochoa, Jeffries, Paul Wilson, Pulsipher, Isringghausen, and on and on and on-Baseball happened to them. Baseball has a way of taking your supposed "minor league superstars" and turning them into mere mortals.

Position players, particularly corner outfielders (Milledge is not going to be moving Beltran), are a dime a dozen in this league. Build up the middle (PITCHING INCLUDED) is how smart teams do it.

The Mets have Pedro, Glavine, Wagner only for a limited time. They must sieze a valuable chip (Milledge) and go for the gusto. Who would want any different from their team?

Smart GM's realize if you have a chance to go to a WS and need pitching to get there, you make a deal. Maybe May is too early, but you have to pull the trigger somewhere. I do not want Steve Trachsel starting game 3 of a 5 game playoff series, tied 1-1 and needing the game. Who knows who even may start Game 4.

Butch Husky is the future.

The Met untouchables in their farm need to be the Pelfreys and the Humbers. That is where we need to be grooming.

Milledge is a luxury. If teh Mets are in dire need of a corner outfielder, they can find many on teh open market. They are always around and the Mets can overpay. That is teh luxury of having your own Sports Net and now drawing well again.

Huh? Yeah, in a perfect world the Yanks would win the WS every year. At least they have a chance to every season, something the Mets rarely ever have.

yeah 200 mill should at least get you a shot :roll:

yeah 200 mill should at least get you a shot :roll:

Cant win it unless you're in it.

Payroll argument, very original as well. Mets fans crying poverty, hysterical.

Cant win it unless you're in it.

Payroll argument, very original as well. Mets fans crying poverty, hysterical.

crying poverty?

the mets payroll maxes out at 100 mill... the yankees payroll is twice as much...

shouldnt they be twice as good?

not like 4 games worse or whatever?

As much as I would love to, the Mets can't use the payroll card.

We have had one of teh top 3 payrolls in the NL over the past decade, and done squat except for a WS loss.

The Mets are not the KC Royals or Pitt Pirates here. They enjoy advantages that 80% of teh league do not.

While the Mets have done a recent good job of promoting from within and building a foundation that way, they have purchased their team along the way for most positions.

crying poverty?

the mets payroll maxes out at 100 mill... the yankees payroll is twice as much...

shouldnt they be twice as good?

not like 4 games worse or whatever?

Payroll doesnt guarantee anything. It just shows the Yankees have the ability to spend. WHo's to stop them? They're not breaking any rules.

I don't think anyone would tell you the Mets are a bad team. They've hit and pitched well to start the season. They'll eventually hit a wall, everyone does.

Like everyone knows as well, the Mets should be winning games with that team. The NL is awful.

As much as I would love to, the Mets can't use the payroll card.

We have had one of teh top 3 payrolls in the NL over the past decade, and done squat except for a WS loss.

The Mets are not the KC Royals or Pitt Pirates here. They enjoy advantages that 80% of teh league do not.

While the Mets have done a recent good job of promoting from within and building a foundation that way, they have purchased their team along the way for most positions.

your not a real mets fan, dont play yourself :roll:

besides which, if you think the Mets payroll is large, the tankees are TWICE AS MUCH, and still cant win, how sad.

http://www.deadspin.com/images/2006/05/shirtlessshortstops.jpg

your not a real mets fan, dont play yourself :roll:

besides which, if you think the Mets payroll is large, the tankees are TWICE AS MUCH, and still cant win, how sad.

Can't win?

You seriously need your head examined. The Mets havent won squat in 20 years.

http://www.deadspin.com/images/2006/05/shirtlessshortstops.jpg

Who was Rey Ordonez banging? Alomar or Piazza?

Can't win?

You seriously need your head examined. The Mets havent won squat in 20 years.

what have you won in the last 5 years, since Grime-Brenner took the payroll to Astro-Land?

your not a real mets fan, dont play yourself :roll:

besides which, if you think the Mets payroll is large, the tankees are TWICE AS MUCH, and still cant win, how sad.

Jermaine-I have been a Met fan longer than you have been alive.

I won't bother to tell you the lengths that I have gone through just to follow this team and keep up with them when there was not widespread cable, satellite, or internet.

Please, do not tell me or others whether we are real fans of a team or not. You or not judge nor jury.

Being a real fan does not mean to be blind and dumb.

Jermaine-I have been a Met fan longer than you have been alive.

I won't bother to tell you the lengths that I have gone through just to follow this team and keep up with them when there was not widespread cable, satellite, or internet.

Please, do not tell me or others whether we are real fans of a team or not. You or not judge nor jury.

Being a real fan does not mean to be blind and dumb.

I can tell a phony and I will not hesitate to call one out.

Who was Rey Ordonez banging? Alomar or Piazza?

maybe one of these guys LOL

http://leaguelineup.com/rvyanks/photos/arodandjeter.jpg

what have you won in the last 5 years, since Grime-Brenner took the payroll to Astro-Land?

To be fair, the Yanks had the top payroll in the game when they were winning titles.

The Mets have done the same thing as the Yankees, brough in high priced FA's. It just hasnt worked as well for the Mets.

http://abc.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/gaypiazza.jpg

I can tell a phony and I will not hesitate to call one out.

OK Jermaine, please, tell me what I don't know about the Mets or how I have not followed them.

Tell me how I did not cry as a 10 year old in 1973 because Willy Mays was called out at th eplate and was ravaged old. Tell me how Game 7 was not the biggest dissapointment of my life to that point.

Tell me how I tried to convince myself that the Seaver trade could actually work out for the Mets and that Henderson, Zachary and Flynn would become key players.

Tell me how in the mid to late 70's when teh team was hoorible I listened to every single inning on a staticky WNEW just so hopefully David Kingman would get one more at bat and possibly hit a homerun. That is all we had.

Tell me how in my high school Science class, as a Junior and hearing that the Mets took Darryl Strawberry with their first pick and telling myself-"That is a name I need to remember" and feeling good about my team again and again.

Tell me how I did not stand at the Brewery in State College on an October Saturday and called for a "wild pitch" in Game 6 of the '86 World Series, and have practically the whole bar hugging me, and the band telling everyone "Ken is the happiest man we know".

I can go on and on.

Yeah Jermaine, tell me how I am not a Met fan. And I will tell you that you are not a man.

PERIOD

The Met untouchables in their farm need to be the Pelfreys and the Humbers. That is where we need to be grooming.

Milledge is a luxury. If teh Mets are in dire need of a corner outfielder, they can find many on teh open market. They are always around and the Mets can overpay. That is teh luxury of having your own Sports Net and now drawing well again.
agree SD,, Max was spot on when he said Mets farm system will keep them on top for next 10 years. I was surprised a Yankee fan would admit tha tthe current Mets blended with farm system will keep them on top for at least 10 years,,
but baseball is a cycle, and like max said, Mets have the farm system to keep the current parent team on top for at least 10 years

OK Jermaine, please, tell me what I don't know about the Mets or how I have not followed them.

Tell me how I did not cry as a 10 year old in 1973 because Willy Mays was called out at th eplate and was ravaged old. Tell me how Game 7 was not the biggest dissapointment of my life to that point.

Tell me how I tried to convince myself that the Seaver trade could actually work out for the Mets and that Henderson, Zachary and Flynn would become key players.

Tell me how in the mid to late 70's when teh team was hoorible I listened to every single inning on a staticky WNEW just so hopefully David Kingman would get one more at bat and possibly hit a homerun. That is all we had.

Tell me how in my high school Science class, as a Junior and hearing that the Mets took Darryl Strawberry with their first pick and telling myself-"That is a name I need to remember" and feeling good about my team again and again.

Tell me how I did not stand at the Brewery in State College on an October Saturday and called for a "wild pitch" in Game 6 of the '86 World Series, and have practically the whole bar hugging me, and the band telling everyone "Ken is the happiest man we know".

I can go on and on.

Yeah Jermaine, tell me how I am not a Met fan. And I will tell you that you are not a man.

PERIOD
jermaine, drop it, this guy bleeds blue, you are just alienating a Mets Brother in arms,,

agree SD,, Max was spot on when he said Mets farm system will keep them on top for next 10 years. I was surprised a Yankee fan would admit tha tthe current Mets blended with farm system will keep them on top for at least 10 years,,
but baseball is a cycle, and like max said, Mets have the farm system to keep the current parent team on top for at least 10 years

Some jewels are untouchable and those are pitching jewels. Kazmir should never have been traded-I have never understood that.

Don't deal pitching, and always make sure that you get some kind of pitching back in any trade you do. Even low level.

5 tool outfielders untouchable? Eh, they can be had in the right trade

in the last 5 years? :eek:


nobody can win the world series every year, but atleast we're always in the mix

OK Jermaine, please, tell me what I don't know about the Mets or how I have not followed them.

Tell me how I did not cry as a 10 year old in 1973 because Willy Mays was called out at th eplate and was ravaged old. Tell me how Game 7 was not the biggest dissapointment of my life to that point.

Tell me how I tried to convince myself that the Seaver trade could actually work out for the Mets and that Henderson, Zachary and Flynn would become key players.

Tell me how in the mid to late 70's when teh team was hoorible I listened to every single inning on a staticky WNEW just so hopefully David Kingman would get one more at bat and possibly hit a homerun. That is all we had.

Tell me how in my high school Science class, as a Junior and hearing that the Mets took Darryl Strawberry with their first pick and telling myself-"That is a name I need to remember" and feeling good about my team again and again.

Tell me how I did not stand at the Brewery in State College on an October Saturday and called for a "wild pitch" in Game 6 of the '86 World Series, and have practically the whole bar hugging me, and the band telling everyone "Ken is the happiest man we know".

I can go on and on.

Yeah Jermaine, tell me how I am not a Met fan. And I will tell you that you are not a man.

PERIOD
haha ok ok... sorry... I was just playing around, trying to rile you up.

nice post though btw.

http://abc.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/gaypiazza.jpg hahah i knew it! once he dyed his hair he was waaaaaaaaaay out there!

Some jewels are untouchable and those are pitching jewels. Kazmir should never have been traded-I have never understood that.

Don't deal pitching, and always make sure that you get some kind of pitching back in any trade you do. Even low level.

5 tool outfielders untouchable? Eh, they can be had in the right trade


couldn't agree more...the Kazmir trade is right along side the Seaver trade & Dykstra/McDowell for Samuel trade to me.

While I can't say Miledge won't be a superstar, I've heard enough of the Mets having a "5 tool player" on the way...Alex Escobar, Alex Ochoa ring a bell? If the Mets can get a young, #1 pitcher for Miledge or Miledge +, I'd do it.

Because even if we decide to move Milledge, there is no way we can do it for Zito when Dontrelle is being offered.

Dontrelle >>>> Zito, and the Marlins dont look too scared to get rid of him.

That is the only move I could find acceptable involving Milledge.

Because even if we decide to move Milledge, there is no way we can do it for Zito when Dontrelle is being offered.

Dontrelle >>>> Zito, and the Marlins dont look too scared to get rid of him.

That is the only move I could find acceptable involving Milledge.

Personally, I'd take Zito over Willis.

Personally, I'd take Zito over Willis.

that's retarded... Willis is only like 23 years old and has better stuff.

Besides which, I see Willis having a lot more success in new york than Zito

that's retarded... Willis is only like 23 years old and has better stuff.

Besides which, I see Willis having a lot more success in new york than Zito

It's not retarded. Zito, IMO would be dominant in the NL.

If I had to chose I'd rather have Dontrelle. He is 24, Zito is 28. Dontrelle is just now coming into his prime.

Zito is a laid back, west coast guy who may not adjust to NY well, like many others that have tried. With his personality, Dontrelle IMO, would have no problem pitching in NY. In a year or 2 he'd take over for Pedro as ace of the staff.

All that being said, I think it would take more than Miledge to get Dontrelle. There will be plenty of teams, Angels, Red Sox, Dodgers to name a few, looking to get him, so the price will be high. He is signed for another 3 years I think, so the ball is in the Marlins court. They can hold out for the package they want.

Willis walked the ballpark during the World thingie. He wasn't exactly lights out in 2003 either. Yes, he has some nice stats, but tell me the big game he's ever had in a big game. Plus, Zito moves from the American to the National and that means he would be facing 2 less batters for most of the game. Truth be told, don't think I'd trade Pelfrey or Milledge for either. Why not see what Pelfrey can do?

I went to the game last night, first time I was in that place since I was about 10 years old... and I was really struck by how tiny it is.

The outfield is really very tiny, talk about a hitters ballpark... Ortiz was right yesterday when they asked about his success there and he said "It's easy, it's only 310 to right field..."

Another thought...

How grimy is Steinbrenner... seriously, could this guy be any more of a dirtbag?

first he "promises" a world series... This idiot isnt playing... he should shut his fat mouth and just let the press know that he is "confident" they will do well.

then this ******* starts televising BP, "Yankees BP Extra!" which is beyond rediculous, and really starts to violate a player's privacy...

then, last night he specifically calls out A-Rod in front of the press... He is the one paying this guy, you would think he would support him and want the best for him? The guy is only hurting himself and doing that was unbelievably childish... He of all people should know A-Rod is a sensitive cat and doesnt really respond that well to criticsm... what a slimeball...

The lines are relatively short, and right field is a porch (that has always been the charm), but the gaps are legitimate tpo deep. Center is fairly deep also, by today's standards.

It is not the 480-490 it originally was, but the gaps are not cheap.

I went to the game last night, first time I was in that place since I was about 10 years old... and I was really struck by how tiny it is.

The outfield is really very tiny, talk about a hitters ballpark... Ortiz was right yesterday when they asked about his success there and he said "It's easy, it's only 310 to right field..."

Another thought...

How grimy is Steinbrenner... seriously, could this guy be any more of a dirtbag?

first he "promises" a world series... This idiot isnt playing... he should shut his fat mouth and just let the press know that he is "confident" they will do well.

then this ******* starts televising BP, "Yankees BP Extra!" which is beyond rediculous, and really starts to violate a player's privacy...

then, last night he specifically calls out A-Rod in front of the press... He is the one paying this guy, you would think he would support him and want the best for him? The guy is only hurting himself and doing that was unbelievably childish... He of all people should know A-Rod is a sensitive cat and doesnt really respond that well to criticsm... what a slimeball...

If you look straight down the lines then it is a hitters ballpark, but in the gaps it's one of the toughest ballparks in baseball to hit the ball out of. 399 to left center. Not many parks rival that which is the reason why A-Rod is the first righty to hit 50 HRs there since Dimaggio.

385 to right center is a bit easier but by no means is it a gimme. If you just want to look at a ballpark for what it has to offer straight down the lines then I think Fenway would have to be the best hitters park...lots of room in the gaps and that right field line? Are you kidding me? Hitters have to climb the right field wall to make it to first base and then come back over to go for two:cheers:

Oh and Jermaine, when you had to wintness Mets baseball, as I did when Joan Payson was the owner and she passed and her daughters inherited the team and had M Donald Grant doing their bidding, and their only worry was fielding a club as cheap as she could and auctioned off all the popular players, you should admire an owner whose primary goal is winning.

He has done some dumb things, he has done some bad things for the sport, but overall he wants to win. What more could a fan want?

Name the right handed hitters that have hit 40 HRs in this "tiny" ballpark.

Name the right handed hitters that have hit 40 HRs in this "tiny" ballpark.

Left field is tough.

Joe D. twice at the old stadium.
Arod last year.
Sori just missed twice.

nobody can win the world series every year, but atleast we're always in the mix

Thats attributed to payroll.

As much as I would love to, the Mets can't use the payroll card.

We have had one of teh top 3 payrolls in the NL over the past decade, and done squat except for a WS loss.

The Mets are not the KC Royals or Pitt Pirates here. They enjoy advantages that 80% of teh league do not.

While the Mets have done a recent good job of promoting from within and building a foundation that way, they have purchased their team along the way for most positions.

True Scott but we are never 100 mill above are closest competitor.

Left field is tough.

Joe D. twice at the old stadium.
Arod last year.
Sori just missed twice.

Thanks. As others have pointed out in this thread, I wouldn't call it tiny.

A lefty hitters paradise maybe. Not tiny.

This is about the 5th time Jermaine has gotten schooled this week and it is only Wendsday.

Over and Under is 9 for the week.

Some jewels are untouchable and those are pitching jewels. Kazmir should never have been traded-I have never understood that.

Don't deal pitching, and always make sure that you get some kind of pitching back in any trade you do. Even low level.

5 tool outfielders untouchable? Eh, they can be had in the right trade



KAZMIR tonight...7 inn...3 hits...0 runs...9 K's :1cry:

Jermaine is suffering from Pinstripe Fever.

Here are a few more

1) Moose is back
2) Schilling does not look the same as he did in 04
3) VERY IMPORTANT !!!

Giambi > Ortiz
Giambi > Delgado
Giambi: Early MVP leader

Here are a few more

1) Moose is back
2) Schilling does not look the same as he did in 04
3) VERY IMPORTANT !!!

Giambi > Ortiz
Giambi > Delgado
Giambi: Early MVP leader

Shawn. You are going to get quite a few people mad with that comment. Keep it coming!

Well when you look at it is really no contest

ave 2b 3b HR RBI OBP
Delagdo 289 4 0 12 27 392
Oritz 256 7 0 11 28 365
GIAMBI 305 4 0 11 32 532

Ortiz is close but since he doesn't play the field he loses.

Delgado ? PUHLEEEZE

Well when you look at it is really no contest

ave 2b 3b HR RBI OBP
Delagdo 289 4 0 12 27 392
Oritz 256 7 0 11 28 365
GIAMBI 305 4 0 11 32 532

Ortiz is close but since he doesn't play the field he loses.

Delgado ? PUHLEEEZE

We're finally getting the Giambi we paid for.

True Scott but we are never 100 mill above are closest competitor.

How many World Series have the Yankees won since they got so out of hand payroll wise?

The Yankees payroll is out of hand because:

1. George is insane
2. They had to overpay some players for winning 4 damn rings (Jeter, Posada, Williams)
3. They had to pay some players what they deserved for winning 4 damn rings (Rivera)

Once these Hall Of Famers retire you will see the Yankees payroll get more in line with the rest of the leagues.

Guys I am telling you...building dynasties, it has a price. Be careful.

And he is clean too

Thats attributed to payroll.

SO why cant the Mets, with the highest payroll in the NL never get themselves in the mix?

How many World Series have the Yankees won since they got so out of hand payroll wise?

The Yankees payroll is out of hand because:

1. George is insane
2. They had to overpay some players for winning 4 damn rings (Jeter, Posada, Williams)
3. They had to pay some players what they deserved for winning 4 damn rings (Rivera)

Once these Hall Of Famers retire you will see the Yankees payroll get more in line with the rest of the leagues.

Guys I am telling you...building dynasties, it has a price. Be careful.

Oh yeah one more thing.

Once you start feeding the monster you don't stop. You see it the Red Sox and you are starting to see with the Mets. With the Mets new network and the fact that they will have to pay guys like Wright, Reyes, and others in three years the Mets payroll will be right there with the Yankees and will BY FAR exceed the Red Sox.

SO why cant the Mets, with the highest payroll in the NL never get themselves in the mix?

They need to get over 500 for the entire season first.

Mets fans crying poverty is hysterical.

WHAT ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS? I would MUCH rather have Delgado than Juiced Up Giamboid.

Besides having to look at that guys disgusting ass steroid destroyed face every day, Delgado is a lot more clutch than him and a better defensive player.

other than Pujols, nobodies hitting better than Giambi* right now, maybe besides Travis Hafner

WHAT ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS? I would MUCH rather have Delgado than Juiced Up Giamboid.

Besides having to look at that guys disgusting ass steroid destroyed face every day, Delgado is a lot more clutch than him and a better defensive player.

If he ever fails a drug test for steriods and is suspended for it then you talk.

Until then

Giambi > Delgado

Learn to live with it.

how the **** is delgado more clutch than Giamboid*?

If he ever fails a drug test for steriods and is suspended for it then you talk.

Until then

Giambi > Delgado

Learn to live with it.

what are you trying to say you dont think he did steroids?

dont demean yourself with such a stupid comment.

He essentially admitted it to the country, and if you want proof go read game of shadows.

All that aside, I can tell you with 100% honestly I would much rather have Delgado on my team. Delgado is more clutch than boid, although boid is not terrible, and Delgado is much better of a leader for the YOUNG TALENTED KIDS, something the Yankees dont have.

what are you trying to say you dont think he did steroids?

dont demean yourself with such a stupid comment.

He essentially admitted it to the country, and if you want proof go read game of shadows.

All that aside, I can tell you with 100% honestly I would much rather have Delgado on my team. Delgado is more clutch than boid, although boid is not terrible, and Delgado is much better of a leader for the YOUNG TALENTED KIDS, something the Yankees dont have.

There is not a shadow of a doubt he did them. He even is a round about way admitted it. (Unlike Bonds or Sheffield or Palmiero or Pudge) He also paid a big price and will probably continue to pay the rest of his life.

The fact is until a test comes back dirty he is clean. If he did fail a drug test and got himself suspended then run him out of town.

Sheff and Bonds are just out and out defiant that they didn't do it so they get zero slack.

Giambi doesn't need to be a leader. That is why you have guys Jeter and Posada around to take care of the kids like Cano, Wang and Proctor, Carbrera, Crosby, etc, etc, etc.

Giambi very quietly just goes out does his job.

Who honestly cares about steroids anymore?

It's commonplace these days in sports as low as high school (my old highschool was littered with it) taking the moral stance is old, everyone cheats in life...sure it should be eliminated but cheating exists in every situation where money and power is connected to success.

86' Mets? Come on these guys were so jacked up on greenies, they would've never been able to get on the field after their 5 a.m. drinking binges while cheating on their wives...cheating is cheating, it's time to get over it.

Maybe in utopia cheating won't exist but just deal with it, human nature and society support and reward the cheat until he is caught...guys who don't get caught what are they?

There is not a shadow of a doubt he did them. He even is a round about way admitted it. (Unlike Bonds or Sheffield or Palmiero or Pudge)

Giambi doesn't need to be a leader. That is why you have guys Jeter and Posada around to take care of the kids like Cano, Wang and Proctor, Carbrera, Crosby, etc, etc, etc.

Giambi very quietly just goes out does his job.

ok... Juiced up mega freaks who are not leaders might be welcome on your team.

I would definatly not take him for the Mets over Delgado any day.

ok... Juiced up mega freaks who are not leaders might be welcome on your team.

I would definatly not take him for the Mets over Delgado any day.

Ex-Steroid User or a guy who hates America? Tough call. I am going with the guy who is having the better season. Jason Giambi.

ok... Juiced up mega freaks who are not leaders might be welcome on your team.

I would definatly not take him for the Mets over Delgado any day.

You never know. I didn't hear alot of Mets fans crying for Doc and Darryl when they had their coke issues. Now you might say "That's different" but in all honesty its worse because they not only hurt their teammates but their fans as well.

Think about it. If Doc and Darryl had been straight who knows. The Mets 86-91 Mets may won 2,3,4 World Series. They were that good and that talented. Instead they got one. Barely.

You never know. I didn't hear alot of Mets fans crying for Doc and Darryl when they had their coke issues. Now you might say "That's different" but in all honesty its worse because they not only hurt their teammates but their fans as well.

Think about it. If Doc and Darryl had been straight who knows. The Mets 86-91 Mets may won 2,3,4 World Series. They were that good and that talented. Instead they got one. Barely.

It's not purely about being a steroid user... I personally dislike him... The guy just seems to be a huge meathead dirtball with a lot of tattoos, and comes off like a idiot in interviews.

and about Delgado "hating america"?? Just because he refuses to take part in a "MANDATORY AMERICA SELF DICK-SUCKING" does not make him "Hate America"... At yankee stadium the other night I got the hell out out of there and went to smoke a ciggarette while they played that ancient recording of god bless america...

Not only did Daryl & The Doc do mass amounts of COKE...they also were arrested for beating women.

I seriously think Keith Hernandez did more Coke than the both of them.

Mets + cocaine = World Series

It's not purely about being a steroid user... I personally dislike him... The guy just seems to be a huge meathead dirtball with a lot of tattoos, and comes off like a idiot in interviews.

and about Delgado "hating america"?? Just because he refuses to take part in a "MANDATORY AMERICA SELF DICK-SUCKING" does not make him "Hate America"... At yankee stadium the other night I got the hell out out of there and went to smoke a ciggarette while they played that ancient recording of god bless america...

Jermaine,
I am usually politcally correct. But I just read your post and have to say that it is your right to say what you said. It is also my right to say that you are an immature *******.

It is a great country we have. If you and Delgado don't like it....well you know where to go.

Jermaine,
I am usually politcally correct. But I just read your post and have to say that it is your right to say what you said. It is also my right to say that you are an immature *******.

It is a great country we have. If you and Delgado don't like it....well you know where to go.
WHO THE HELL SAID THAT ME AND CARLOS DELGADO HATE THIS COUNTRY?!?!?

THIS IS THE GOD-DAMN PROBLEM WITH YOU OLD WHITE GUYS...

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO BE FORCED TO SIT THROUGH SOME CHEESY ASS "MANDATORY TRIBUTE TO AMERICA" DOES NOT MEAN THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DID AFTER SEPTEMBER 11? I VOLUNTEERED FOR 3 WEEKS AT RED CROSS AT A TRIAGE AND A MOVING POING 3 BLOCKS AWAY...

WHO THE HELL "HATES AMERICA"???

WHO THE HELL SAID THAT ME AND CARLOS DELGADO HATE THIS COUNTRY?!?!?

THIS IS THE GOD-DAMN PROBLEM WITH YOU OLD WHITE GUYS...

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO BE FORCED TO SIT THROUGH SOME CHEESY ASS "MANDATORY TRIBUTE TO AMERICA" DOES NOT MEAN THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DID AFTER SEPTEMBER 11? I VOLUNTEERED FOR 3 WEEKS AT RED CROSS AT A TRIAGE AND A MOVING POING 3 BLOCKS AWAY...

WHO THE HELL "HATES AMERICA"???

Jermaine,
How old are you? I will type this slow because reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your thing.

Show me the post of mine where I said you hate this country? Point it out to me. I missed it. Your 9/11 charity has no place in this conversation.

I said if you don't like this County you know where you can go. Same goes for Carlos. At no time did I say that you hated this Country. You mentioned something about America dick sucking and leaving during the National Anthem. I replied saying it is your right to curse this country. And it is my right to call you immature.

No run off and tell everyone how many people you schooled here today. Oh and don't curse on my ****ing board again you ****ing little whore nosed b****.

Grabbed the ball up barehanded off a bad bounce on the bag?

Definatly would rather have him out there than E-Rod.

Jermaine,
How old are you? I will type this slow because reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your thing.

Show me the post of mine where I said you hate this country? Point it out to me. I missed it. Your 9/11 charity has no place in this conversation.

I said if you don't like this County you know where you can go. Same goes for Carlos. At no time did I say that you hated this Country. You mentioned something about America dick sucking and leaving during the National Anthem. I replied saying it is your right to curse this country. And it is my right to call you immature.

No run off and tell everyone how many people you schooled here today. Oh and don't curse on my ****ing board again you ****ing little whore nosed b****.


It's a sad day when Max is the voice of reason.

Nice editing.

It's a sad day when Max is the voice of reason.

Nice editing.

It sucks when Thor (of all people) is the only one that saw the original response. Now that bastard has something on me. Great, the day is off to a great start!

It sucks when Thor (of all people) is the only one that saw the original response. Now that bastard has something on me. Great, the day is off to a great start!


Your day is just starting? I'm going to bed.

With your wife. Peace out, homie.

Jermaine,
How old are you? I will type this slow because reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your thing.

Show me the post of mine where I said you hate this country? Point it out to me. I missed it. Your 9/11 charity has no place in this conversation.

I said if you don't like this County you know where you can go. Same goes for Carlos. At no time did I say that you hated this Country. You mentioned something about America dick sucking and leaving during the National Anthem. I replied saying it is your right to curse this country. And it is my right to call you immature.

No run off and tell everyone how many people you schooled here today. Oh and don't curse on my ****ing board again you ****ing little whore nosed b****.
I have the reading comprehension problem? why dont you back the **** up and read what I wrote about leaving during god bless america and why I did it.

Plus I know what you are insinuating... you are one of those crotchety old guys who thinks that unless someone sucks their own country's dick at every opportunity, they are a communist who doesnt like America.

Well here's a newsflash buddy... America is a lot more diverse now than it was when you were growing up... No longer do we have to sit there and pay false tribute just to prove we are "Americans"... The fact that they want you to be forced to sit there and listen to god bless america every night after you ALREADY have the national anthem is really just an archaic and paranoid act.

obviously if you are sitting there at a goddamn ballgame watching the AMERICAN PAST-TIME, you do not "HATE AMERICA".

oh and what the **** is a "WHORE NOSED BITCH???"

Grabbed the ball up barehanded off a bad bounce on the bag?

Definatly would rather have him out there than E-Rod.

Anyone see AROD win the game tonight with a clutch home run off Schilling?

When Wright had that year last year I didn't think he could top it. 24 errors, that is HOJO impressive. But with 6 errors already this season looks like he is determined to improve on his HOJO'ness.

Oh AROD made 10 less errors last season. And has a lifetime fielding percentage that puts Wright's to shame. Oh and AROD only has 2 errors this season.

We should create a vbookie event to see if Wright can keep his fielding percentage above .930. It will be close.

Damn. Was I just "schooled" again? How does that keep happening?

I have the reading comprehension problem? why dont you back the **** up and read what I wrote about leaving during god bless america and why I did it.

Plus I know what you are insinuating... you are one of those crotchety old guys who thinks that unless someone sucks their own country's dick at every opportunity, they are a communist who doesnt like America.

Well here's a newsflash buddy... America is a lot more diverse now than it was when you were growing up... No longer do we have to sit there and pay false tribute just to prove we are "Americans"... The fact that they want you to be forced to sit there and listen to god bless america every night is really just an archaic and paranoid act.

obviously if you are sitting there at a goddamn ballgame watching the AMERICAN PAST-TIME, you do not "HATE AMERICA".

oh and what the **** is a "WHORE NOSED BITCH???"

Jermaine...

I try to not read your posts at all. Reading them twice is out of the question.

The fact remains....you flipped out because you thought I said you hate America. You were wrong. I never said it. Your thoughts about this Country (and in general) mean nothing to me.

Jermaine...

I try to not read your posts at all. Reading them twice is out of the question.

The fact remains....you flipped out because you thought I said you hate America. You were wrong. I never said it. Your thoughts about this Country (and in general) mean nothing to me.

wait you dont read my posts correctly, because you did read it, you just did not do a good job, then you wanna say I have a problem with reading comprehension?

you just owned yourself.

besides which you misconstrued what you read enough to imply that "I dont like America"...

Dont mess around like that.

wait you dont read my posts correctly, because you did read it, you just did not do a good job, then you wanna say I have a problem with reading comprehension?

you just owned yourself.

besides which you misconstrued what you read enough to imply that "I dont like America"...

Dont mess around like that.

Jermaine,
Who is going to be owned when you try to log in tomorrow and you can't?

How old are you? For the last ****ing time...you claimed I said you hated America. I never said that. I said IF you don't like it leave. Same goes for this board.

You are reaching Foley annoying levels.

Closing the thread and abusing your mod because i owned you in that the thread...

look man we sat there and argued on your terms... you wanted to say I have "poor reading comprehension", whereas you read my whole post and then just regurgitated some completely messed up version of it.

if you cant take it, dont bring it... it's just that simple.

Don't ban him....I have to see his meltdown first hand when the Mets crash & burn.

:character42:

FIGHT,FIGHT,FIGHT,FIGHT,FIGHT!!!

Don't ban him....I have to see his meltdown first hand when the Mets crash & burn.

you must be referring to the after world series party when Hernandez will party with the team.

Anyone see AROD win the game tonight with a clutch home run off Schilling?

When Wright had that year last year I didn't think he could top it. 24 errors, that is HOJO impressive. But with 6 errors already this season looks like he is determined to improve on his HOJO'ness.

Oh AROD made 10 less errors last season. And has a lifetime fielding percentage that puts Wright's to shame. Oh and AROD only has 2 errors this season.

We should create a vbookie event to see if Wright can keep his fielding percentage above .930. It will be close.

Damn. Was I just "schooled" again? How does that keep happening?

I have yet to see wright make a crucial error in an important game... in fact he makes better plays when we need them.

I've seen a-rod mess up a bunch of times in crucial games though.

When the mets hit the playoffs we'll compare notes, k?

You better be careful smizzy, you dont want JBF getting involved!

You better be careful smizzy, you dont want JBF getting involved!

Why not? There is always room for more unintelligent foolish nonsense around here. Especially on days after the Bosox lose another.;)

WHAT ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS? I would MUCH rather have Delgado than Juiced Up Giamboid.

Besides having to look at that guys disgusting ass steroid destroyed face every day, Delgado is a lot more clutch than him and a better defensive player.

Neither is known for his defense. Both are relative statues out there. But at least Giambi is tops with "scooping" throws in teh dirt. Delgado is a guy who, when he was a catcher early in his Toronto career, several pitchers did not want to throw to him. WHy?

Because he could't CATCH. That's right. He had a tough time catching pitches.

Skip the defense argument.

Ex-Steroid User or a guy who hates America? Tough call. I am going with the guy who is having the better season. Jason Giambi.:cheers:

Isn't it hilarious how brain-damaged wankers like Jermy think they "own" people?

Looks like Zippy has a worthy successor.

I have yet to see wright make a crucial error in an important game... in fact he makes better plays when we need them.

I've seen a-rod mess up a bunch of times in crucial games though.

When the mets hit the playoffs we'll compare notes, k?

Cmon I don't want to wait a few years before finishing this debate.

Look up ARODs postseaon fielding percentage and get back to me.

Grabbed the ball up barehanded off a bad bounce on the bag?

Definatly would rather have him out there than E-Rod.

Whens the last time Wright hit 50 homers in a season, or won an MVP trophy? Or 2 MVP trophies? Hell, even a gold glove?


Thought so.

Whens the last time Wright hit 50 homers in a season, or won an MVP trophy? Or 2 MVP trophies? Hell, even a gold glove?


Thought so.

Blackout...end that post going on and on about how you OWNED him. Apparently in Jermaine's world owned means something completely different.

Whens the last time Wright hit 50 homers in a season, or won an MVP trophy? Or 2 MVP trophies? Hell, even a gold glove?


Thought so.

Blackout-Neither has won a WS, and that is what is most important.

It may be interesting to see which gets their's first.

Wright's good. He may make it to the majors, someday.

The names may change but JBF's Confederacy of Idiots stays the same.

It's all good though. We all know how the story ends don't we now

Yankees win
Sox Lose
Mets don't even show

If I had to chose I'd rather have Dontrelle. He is 24, Zito is 28. Dontrelle is just now coming into his prime.

Zito is a laid back, west coast guy who may not adjust to NY well, like many others that have tried. With his personality, Dontrelle IMO, would have no problem pitching in NY. In a year or 2 he'd take over for Pedro as ace of the staff.

All that being said, I think it would take more than Miledge to get Dontrelle. There will be plenty of teams, Angels, Red Sox, Dodgers to name a few, looking to get him, so the price will be high. He is signed for another 3 years I think, so the ball is in the Marlins court. They can hold out for the package they want.

Dontrelle is signed for this year only. But he is not eligible for FA for 2 more seasons. His arbitration price will be high though.

Blackout-Neither has won a WS, and that is what is most important.

It may be interesting to see which gets their's first.

so Ted Williams' entire career was a waste? What about Ty Cobb? Bonds*?

so Ted Williams' entire career was a waste? What about Ty Cobb? Bonds*?


Where did I say that?

You disagree that winning a WS is the most important accomplishment for a player? Then what is?

Where did I say that?

You disagree that winning a WS is the most important accomplishment for a player? Then what is?

The goals for players have changed over the years. I will break it down for you.

Beginning of time through 1940: The goal was to play a game that they loved. To play it as a team and try to win as a team.

1941 - 1979: The goal was to hate the owners and figure out a way to actually make a living out of playing this sport. Some players still tried to win and played hard.

1980- 1995: The goal was to inflate yourt stats and not get hurt. Because there was so much money to be made. Rather than play for your team, you played for your next contract.

1996 - Present: The goal is passing drug tests.

The goals for players have changed over the years. I will break it down for you.

Beginning of time through 1940: The goal was to play a game that they loved. To play it as a team and try to win as a team.

1941 - 1979: The goal was to hate the owners and figure out a way to actually make a living out of playing this sport. Some players still tried to win and played hard.

1980- 1995: The goal was to inflate yourt stats and not get hurt. Because there was so much money to be made. Rather than play for your team, you played for your next contract.

1996 - Present: The goal is passing drug tests.

Sad thing is, you are not far off from the truth there.

Ever read the book "Lords of the Realm"? I highly recommend it. It should be a primer for anyone understanding owner-player relations.

I have had enough of this debate. I am calling George and telling him to trade for both players.

Jermaine...

The thread was closed for about 30 seconds. You are so stupid though it is beyond belief. I locked it just to try to put an end to your stupidity. Then I said if I have to suffer so should everyone else and I unlocked it.

You owned me? You owned Scott Dierking? Interesting. You do not have the ability to argue intelligently. How old are you? Seems like you are 14 or so. David Wright is better than AROD. Statememnts like that usually indicate a 14 year old brain.

You are a tool. JBF is a smart guy. He knows baseball. I know JBF. You are no JBF. Give it up already.

Isn't it hilarious how brain-damaged wankers like Jermy think they "own" people?

Looks like Zippy has a worthy successor.

Bob that is not a fair statement. JBF says a lot of stuff. A lot of crazy stuff. But when he is outlandish he is joking. He knows the game. Jermaine is just ignorant when it comes to baseball.

Sad thing is, you are not far off from the truth there.

Ever read the book "Lords of the Realm"? I highly recommend it. It should be a primer for anyone understanding owner-player relations.

Never read that book.

I just kind of rounded the years. But it is amazing when you think back. The players that left the game for a few seasons to fight in WWII. Just amazing.

A lot of those guys are rolling over in there graves. What they fought for both here and on foreign soil. They fought so hard to build this. Then when you think of how the owners and players can't work through it. It is a shame.

There is enough money to go around. They have the eternal cash cow (the fans). Everyone gets theirs. Players, Owners = Money. Fans = Screwed.

I personally like Zito better than Willis - he has been a cy young winner also he's established - and has a habit of throwing lights out ball in sept and oct. Willis is good but Zito is better. JMO.

Never read that book.

I just kind of rounded the years. But it is amazing when you think back. The players that left the game for a few seasons to fight in WWII. Just amazing.

A lot of those guys are rolling over in there graves. What they fought for both here and on foreign soil. They fought so hard to build this. Then when you think of how the owners and players can't work through it. It is a shame.

There is enough money to go around. They have the eternal cash cow (the fans). Everyone gets theirs. Players, Owners = Money. Fans = Screwed.

The book covers that. The problem is, the players were treated worse than indentured slaves for such a long period. They were captive employees with little recourse.

When things finally did turn, they made sure they made up for lost time. Marvin Miller was so hard line and would not give an inch ever. Donald Fehr still lives in Miller's shadows, and is afraid to give back anything.

Owners and players and union are all to blame. They created a perfect mess and one of distrust.

Bob that is not a fair statement. JBF says a lot of stuff. A lot of crazy stuff. But when he is outlandish he is joking. He knows the game. Jermaine is just ignorant when it comes to baseball.
Fair enough. Jermy is an ignorant tool. JBF is a regular tool.

I stand corrected.

WHO THE HELL SAID THAT ME AND CARLOS DELGADO HATE THIS COUNTRY?!?!?

THIS IS THE GOD-DAMN PROBLEM WITH YOU OLD WHITE GUYS...

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO BE FORCED TO SIT THROUGH SOME CHEESY ASS "MANDATORY TRIBUTE TO AMERICA" DOES NOT MEAN THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DID AFTER SEPTEMBER 11? I VOLUNTEERED FOR 3 WEEKS AT RED CROSS AT A TRIAGE AND A MOVING POING 3 BLOCKS AWAY...

WHO THE HELL "HATES AMERICA"???

hahahaha you mad?

:Cuss:

Delgado is a great player. But he's also a disrespectful punk.

His reasoning for not standing for "God Bless America" stemmed from his disagreement with the war in Iraq and the Navy using the Puerto Rican island of Vieques for target practice.But the song in itself doesn't have any political message of "self d!ck sucking". And the announcement in Yankee Stadium mentions only that it's in honor of the men and women serving this country overseas. This is a great country, and if Delgado cannot recognize that he should try to find work elsewhere. How awful to stand politely to honor some soldiers; what a terrible imposition on a millionaire like Delgado! How does he go to work every day?

Puerto Rico is part of the US. If Delgado and like-minded Puerto Ricans don't like that, then by all means, take the steps needed to make it a seperate country. Place is a total drain on the US Treasury anyway. If you don't want to be AMericans, notwithstanding all the great Puerto Rican men and women who have served America proudly, vaya con Dios and don't let the door hit you in the keister. But they won't do that; in fact all the referenda for independence get voted down by Puerto ricans themselves because without the American dollars ladled on them by Uncle Sam, the place is an economic mess.

Also, the Navy left the Viques range-along with all the business they gave to the locals. There's no point to having a naval base there if they cannot have the firing range. And immediately after the Navy left, Delgado and his ilk immediately whined about how the locals were now destitute. Well, then, Carlos-make up your freaking mind. Because if the US Navy doesn't use your bombing range, it's personnel don't need to be in Puerto Rico and spend their money there, either. That was you choice; deal with it like an adult and shut up.

But nobody hates America.

Oh and Jermaine, when you had to wintness Mets baseball, as I did when Joan Payson was the owner and she passed and her daughters inherited the team and had M Donald Grant doing their bidding, and their only worry was fielding a club as cheap as she could and auctioned off all the popular players, you should admire an owner whose primary goal is winning.

He has done some dumb things, he has done some bad things for the sport, but overall he wants to win. What more could a fan want?
agree,,, give me a dickhead george or trump to buy the Jets,,
hard boss, but demands perfection

agree,,, give me a dickhead george or trump to buy the Jets,,
hard boss, but demands perfection

And usually ends up with winners.;)

Give me a Steinbrenner anytime over a hands off cheap guy like David Glass, or Carl Polard.

THIS IS THE GOD-DAMN PROBLEM WITH YOU OLD WHITE GUYS...

JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO BE FORCED TO SIT THROUGH SOME CHEESY ASS "MANDATORY TRIBUTE TO AMERICA" DOES NOT MEAN THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY...


jermaine, jermaine,, i am trying to give u some sage posting advice,,,u piss off more people than a thin herm hater at JI...

listen, i go to Carolina Hurricane Hockey games with a mixed set of people,, and the old black guys in the group stand up for National Anthem (and proudly i may add),,will u quit makin EVERYTHING a black/white issue at end of day,,please???????
u r becoming the Al Sharpton of JN, ,try mixing in a little Barack Obama

jermaine, jermaine,, i am trying to give u some sage posting advice,,,u piss off more people than a thin herm hater at JI...

listen, i go to Carolina Hurricane Hockey games with a mixed set of people,, and the old black guys in the group stand up for National Anthem (and proudly i may add),,will u quit makin EVERYTHING a black/white issue at end of day,,please???????
u r becoming the Al Sharpton of JN, ,try mixing in a little Barack Obama

Good one.:cheers:

Anyone see AROD win the game tonight with a clutch home run off Schilling?

When Wright had that year last year I didn't think he could top it. 24 errors, that is HOJO impressive. But with 6 errors already this season looks like he is determined to improve on his HOJO'ness.

Oh AROD made 10 less errors last season. And has a lifetime fielding percentage that puts Wright's to shame. Oh and AROD only has 2 errors this season.

We should create a vbookie event to see if Wright can keep his fielding percentage above .930. It will be close.

Damn. Was I just "schooled" again? How does that keep happening?
actually both of u are gettin goofy...
max is takin jermaines bait quicker than a hungry shark in a salmon farm pond

Sad thing is, you are not far off from the truth there.

Ever read the book "Lords of the Realm"? I highly recommend it. It should be a primer for anyone understanding owner-player relations.

Scott;

He is almost right on the money. I would change around the years a bit, but that's nit-picking. The Eras are right though. Players now-a-days want the big bucks, and to be able to pass drug screenings, so they continue to have a chance for those big bucks. Winning is a very distant 3rd place.

Very distant.:confused:

Never read that book.

I just kind of rounded the years. But it is amazing when you think back. The players that left the game for a few seasons to fight in WWII. Just amazing.

A lot of those guys are rolling over in there graves. What they fought for both here and on foreign soil. They fought so hard to build this. Then when you think of how the owners and players can't work through it. It is a shame.

There is enough money to go around. They have the eternal cash cow (the fans). Everyone gets theirs. Players, Owners = Money. Fans = Screwed.

Maxman;

Read that book. It is an eye-opener. You would not believe what was going on way back when.

Actually, if you ignore his rantings and put-downs (95% of his posts) JBF does spew forth with some fairly knowledgeable stuff. He also has some interesting points that he throws out there from time-to-time.

It is unfortunate that it is difficult to find these posts, as his normal material is pure, unadulterated, wasted bandwidth.

Maxman;

Read that book. It is an eye-opener. You would not believe what was going on way back when.
Doug Heffernan doesnt read books.

Actually, if you ignore his rantings and put-downs (95% of his posts) JBF does spew forth with some fairly knowledgeable stuff. He also has some interesting points that he throws out there from time-to-time.

It is unfortunate that it is difficult to find these posts, as his normal material is pure, unadulterated, wasted bandwidth.

JBF knows the game. He is one sick and twisted mofo though, lol.

Doug Heffernan doesnt read books.

Hysterical. Wow. I laughed the 1st 800 times you made that joke. Time # 801....wow. Pure magic.

You the man SJ. You the man.

:rolleyes:

actually both of u are gettin goofy...
max is takin jermaines bait quicker than a hungry shark in a salmon farm pond

Jermaine believes this stuff. When JBF does it, that is bait. Jermaine is just misinformed. Big difference.

Jermaine...

The thread was closed for about 30 seconds. You are so stupid though it is beyond belief. I locked it just to try to put an end to your stupidity. Then I said if I have to suffer so should everyone else and I unlocked it.

You owned me? You owned Scott Dierking? Interesting. You do not have the ability to argue intelligently. How old are you? Seems like you are 14 or so. David Wright is better than AROD. Statememnts like that usually indicate a 14 year old brain.

You are a tool. JBF is a smart guy. He knows baseball. I know JBF. You are no JBF. Give it up already.

Maxipad... lets break down what happened in that thread, shall we?

I feel a lot of heat comin out that mouth, but there is honestly nothing to back it up.

1) you read my post, and then described a completely twisted, wrong interpretation of it, saying I walked out on the national anthem or something.

2) you accuse me of having "poor reading comprehension"

3) I point out to you that your whole post was based on a severely flawed reading of my original post.

4) you flip out and lock the post, threaten to ban me, etc etc...

you owned yourself there, buddy...

Hysterical. Wow. I laughed the 1st 800 times you made that joke. Time # 801....wow. Pure magic.

You the man SJ. You the man.

:rolleyes:
uh oh, i guess that means no more doug jokes,, u see i forget i make them, after all i am Arthur Spooner

Maxipad......
this guy has possibilities

jermaine, jermaine,, i am trying to give u some sage posting advice,,,u piss off more people than a thin herm hater at JI...

listen, i go to Carolina Hurricane Hockey games with a mixed set of people,, and the old black guys in the group stand up for National Anthem (and proudly i may add),,will u quit makin EVERYTHING a black/white issue at end of day,,please???????
u r becoming the Al Sharpton of JN, ,try mixing in a little Barack Obama

you dont understand SJ, I know you have a perceptive mind, but the problem really lies in an inflexibility to understand another human being's point of few.

as a young man who grew up in New York, you find that the only people who flip out over things like Delgado refusing to take part in the god bless america routine, are old white guys. This is 99% of the time true, and I think you understand that. The problem doesnt have to do with race though, it has to do with the fact that guys like this dont understand that you dont have to sit through a ridiculous, ornary, fake show of support to "love your country".

you dont understand SJ, I know you have a perceptive mind, but the problem really lies in an inflexibility to understand another human being's point of few.

as a young man who grew up in New York, you find that the only people who flip out over things like Delgado refusing to take part in the god bless america routine, are old white guys. This is 99% of the time true, and I think you understand that. The problem doesnt have to do with race though, it has to do with the fact that guys like this dont understand that you dont have to sit through a ridiculous, ornary, fake show of support to "love your country".

You tend to overgeneralize people

you dont understand SJ, I know you have a perceptive mind, but the problem really lies in an inflexibility to understand another human being's point of few.

as a young man who grew up in New York, you find that the only people who flip out over things like Delgado refusing to take part in the god bless america routine, are old white guys. This is 99% of the time true, and I think you understand that. The problem doesnt have to do with race though, it has to do with the fact that guys like this dont understand that you dont have to sit through a ridiculous, ornary, fake show of support to "love your country".

Jermaine, do you take your hat off during the National Anthem?

you dont understand SJ, I know you have a perceptive mind, but the problem really lies in an inflexibility to understand another human being's point of few.

as a young man who grew up in New York, you find that the only people who flip out over things like Delgado refusing to take part in the god bless america routine, are old white guys. This is 99% of the time true, and I think you understand that. The problem doesnt have to do with race though, it has to do with the fact that guys like this dont understand that you dont have to sit through a ridiculous, ornary, fake show of support to "love your country".
again, better ways to put it by avoiding the race issue:
http://www.barackobama.com/main.php

No one other than you is flipping out.

Delgado's a great ballplayer and a jerk.

again, better ways to put it by avoiding the race issue:
http://www.barackobama.com/main.php

I hope you know, I'm not black...

I hope you know, I'm not black...
not the point, I said u were becoming the sharpton of the board,, obama is the anti-sharpton

sort of like hillary as opposed to bush,,ying and yang..

now, if u want to be the hillary of the board then i can send u another link

not the point, I said u were becoming the sharpton of the board,, obama is the anti-sharpton

sort of like hillary as opposed to bush,,ying and yang..

now, if u want to be the hillary of the board then i can send u another link

I think you underestimate the way race or lack of understand of racial issues plays a part in people's opinions.

I think you underestimate the way race or lack of understand of racial issues plays a part in people's opinions.
haha, i will let any number of JN posters respond to that

Maxipad... lets break down what happened in that thread, shall we?

I feel a lot of heat comin out that mouth, but there is honestly nothing to back it up.

1) you read my post, and then described a completely twisted, wrong interpretation of it, saying I walked out on the national anthem or something.

2) you accuse me of having "poor reading comprehension"

3) I point out to you that your whole post was based on a severely flawed reading of my original post.

4) you flip out and lock the post, threaten to ban me, etc etc...

you owned yourself there, buddy...

Jermaine,
You are not worth it. People have complained about you and everytime I said don't get sucked into his circle of stupidity. If you want to go the race route you won't be doing it here.

I never said you walked out on the National Anthem. You mentioned that you needed to smoke a fag and left. I don't care. I never said you hate America. Delgaldo hates America. This is well documented. I did say that you were immature. You mentioned something about America Dick Sucking. I said if you don't like this country you know where to go.

Your immaturity proves that my 1st instinct in locking the thread was right. Read the exchange. Keep pressing this if you want. I am getting tired of your nonsense though.

It is not worth it but here is our exchange:

Jermaine: ok... Juiced up mega freaks who are not leaders might be welcome on your team.
I would definatly not take him for the Mets over Delgado any day.

Max: Ex-Steroid User or a guy who hates America? Tough call. I am going with the guy who is having the better season. Jason Giambi.

Jermaine: It's not purely about being a steroid user... I personally dislike him... The guy just seems to be a huge meathead dirtball with a lot of tattoos, and comes off like a idiot in interviews.
and about Delgado "hating america"?? Just because he refuses to take part in a "MANDATORY AMERICA SELF DICK-SUCKING" does not make him "Hate America"... At yankee stadium the other night I got the hell out out of there and went to smoke a ciggarette while they played that ancient recording of god bless america...

Max: Jermaine,
I am usually politcally correct. But I just read your post and have to say that it is your right to say what you said. It is also my right to say that you are an immature *******.
It is a great country we have. If you and Delgado don't like it....well you know where to go.

Jermaine: WHO THE HELL SAID THAT ME AND CARLOS DELGADO HATE THIS COUNTRY?!?!?
THIS IS THE GOD-DAMN PROBLEM WITH YOU OLD WHITE GUYS...
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DOES NOT WANT TO BE FORCED TO SIT THROUGH SOME CHEESY ASS "MANDATORY TRIBUTE TO AMERICA" DOES NOT MEAN THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY...
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DID AFTER SEPTEMBER 11? I VOLUNTEERED FOR 3 WEEKS AT RED CROSS AT A TRIAGE AND A MOVING POING 3 BLOCKS AWAY...
WHO THE HELL "HATES AMERICA"???

Max: Jermaine,
How old are you? I will type this slow because reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your thing.
Show me the post of mine where I said you hate this country? Point it out to me. I missed it. Your 9/11 charity has no place in this conversation.
I said if you don't like this County you know where you can go. Same goes for Carlos. At no time did I say that you hated this Country. You mentioned something about America dick sucking and leaving during the National Anthem. I replied saying it is your right to curse this country. And it is my right to call you immature.
No run off and tell everyone how many people you schooled here today. Oh and don't curse on my ****ing board again you ****ing little whore nosed b****.

Jermaine: I have the reading comprehension problem? why dont you back the **** up and read what I wrote about leaving during god bless america and why I did it.
Plus I know what you are insinuating... you are one of those crotchety old guys who thinks that unless someone sucks their own country's dick at every opportunity, they are a communist who doesnt like America.
Well here's a newsflash buddy... America is a lot more diverse now than it was when you were growing up... No longer do we have to sit there and pay false tribute just to prove we are "Americans"... The fact that they want you to be forced to sit there and listen to god bless america every night after you ALREADY have the national anthem is really just an archaic and paranoid act.
obviously if you are sitting there at a goddamn ballgame watching the AMERICAN PAST-TIME, you do not "HATE AMERICA".
oh and what the **** is a "WHORE NOSED BITCH???"

Max: Jermaine...
I try to not read your posts at all. Reading them twice is out of the question.

The fact remains....you flipped out because you thought I said you hate America. You were wrong. I never said it. Your thoughts about this Country (and in general) mean nothing to me.



You have two choices:

1. Post baseball here and grow up a bit.
2. Keep being an *******. But you will be doing it elsewhere.

Let us stick to baseball issues and leave the social issues for another site Continue

uh oh, i guess that means no more doug jokes,, u see i forget i make them, after all i am Arthur Spooner

Nah they are funny. I am just busting. I look like him. I am proud of that. Not really but it seemed like the right thing to say!

Saying that Me and Carlos "dont like America" is not all that different from saying we hate it.

and I know what you were implying... Besides which you chose to argue on the basis of reading comprehension, and you obviously did a terrible job of it yourself.

therefore, you owned yourself.

Jermaine, take a breath and dont be Penny wise and Pound foolish,,

Saying that Me and Carlos "dont like America" is not all that different from saying we hate it.

and I know what you were implying... Besides which you chose to argue on the basis of reading comprehension, and you obviously did a terrible job of it yourself.

therefore, you owned yourself.

Jermaine...

Grow up already. Seriously if you want to talk baseball just do it. Just grow up. Stop with the race stuff. Stop with the cursing. Stop with the personal attacks. And grow up.

Nah they are funny. I am just busting. I look like him. I am proud of that. Not really but it seemed like the right thing to say!
actually from the fan pictures u do have a resemblance,,
plus haven't you been bangin Leah Remini lately?
http://www.strangecelebrities.com/images/content/8448.jpg

Jermaine...

Grow up already. Seriously if you want to talk baseball just do it. Just grow up. Stop with the race stuff. Stop with the cursing. Stop with the personal attacks. And grow up.
Jermaine, if you are really into these kind of posting tactics, TGG and JI are real tolerant of that kind of stuff

Jermaine...

Grow up already. Seriously if you want to talk baseball just do it. Just grow up. Stop with the race stuff. Stop with the cursing. Stop with the personal attacks. And grow up.

Stop the cursing?

You were the one who started the cursing with your insanely wierd insult "Whore-Nosed-Bitch?"

Take a look at yourself, before you accuse others.

SJ, I also suggest you actually look at the stuff objectively before you just take the side of seniority.

Throw out the trash, Max. I know you hate to do that, but some people can't be reasoned with.

Lost in this rather ridiculous exchange (and btw, I find paying homage to my country something wonderful) is the fact that SJ is even-keeled, mature and thoughtful. What happened to the real SJ? Who kidnapped him? If I give you some V-bucks, will you make sure he stays kidnapped?

LOL!

Stop the cursing?

You were the one who started the cursing with your insanely wierd insult "Whore-Nosed-Bitch?"

Take a look at yourself, before you accuse others.

SJ, I also suggest you actually look at the stuff objectively before you just take the side of seniority.

The whole world is always wrong. Jermaine is always right.

I am 36 years old. And I am in the category of "Old White Man". My fear of communism is ultimately what will bring me down though.

actually from the fan pictures u do have a resemblance,,
plus haven't you been bangin Leah Remini lately?
http://www.strangecelebrities.com/images/content/8448.jpg

Leah Remini is so ****in bangin... I have had a huge crush on her for a while

you dont understand SJ, I know you have a perceptive mind, but the problem really lies in an inflexibility to understand another human being's point of few.

as a young man who grew up in New York, you find that the only people who flip out over things like Delgado refusing to take part in the god bless america routine, are old white guys. This is 99% of the time true, and I think you understand that. The problem doesnt have to do with race though, it has to do with the fact that guys like this dont understand that you dont have to sit through a ridiculous, ornary, fake show of support to "love your country".

This is your most foolish, mis-informed post yet.

Many of my co-workers, associates, are people of color. They were united in vilifying Delgado for his stance. United. Not 1 dissenter!! The most common line they were saying was that if he does not have the decency to stand up for our folks in Iraq, then go back to PR. And stay there.

That's from these folks. New Yorkers, older then you. Many who have been the victims of race hatred sometime in their lives.

But united against Delgado, like 1 unit.

in the last 5 years? :eek:

Still better than the mets.

This is your most foolish, mis-informed post yet.

Many of my co-workers, associates, are people of color. They were united in vilifying Delgado for his stance. United. Not 1 dissenter!! The most common line they were saying was that if he does not have the decency to stand up for our folks in Iraq, then go back to PR. And stay there.

That's from these folks. New Yorkers, older then you. Many who have been the victims of race hatred sometime in their lives.

But united against Delgado, like 1 unit.

yeah probably sitting around in the workplace with a white guy like you... you know how much pressure there is on non-whites, especially in the workplace to act all patriotic? like the arabs that put american flags in their car?

yeah probably sitting around in the workplace with a white guy like you... you know how much pressure there is on non-whites, especially in the workplace to act all patriotic? like the arabs that put american flags in their car?

http://forums.sohh.com/images/smilies/huh.gif (http://forums.sohh.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=1#)

Please. Turn the computer off.

yeah probably sitting around in the workplace with a white guy like you... you know how much pressure there is on non-whites, especially in the workplace to act all patriotic? like the arabs that put american flags in their car?

Jermaine....enjoy your next board. You are done here.

Oh imagine that, Jermaine is sitting around here calling people a racist again.

Jermain STFU. Your s.hit has grown so old.

There are two types of people in this country. The ones who refuse to be deterred in their quest to make something of themselves, regardless of race, color or creed. The other are the lazy *******s who are too lazy and unmotivated to make something happen, then hide behind their race, perceived handicapped or ethnic background when they get fronted.

I put up this crap all day at work. You're just pulling me over because I'm black. No, I'm pulling you over because you're doing 61 in a school zone a$$hole.

I'm done being concerned, I'm done being understanding. I'm done being open minded. To me everyone is the same and is judged on their character, their will to make something of themself. But people like you and others out there continue to make everything about race. You want us whiteys to treat everyone equal then preferential treatment when s.hit isn't going your way.

So instead of pointing fingers at old white guys, look in the mirror. Because it's amazing how much of a racist the person looking back at you really is.

Signed,

The 32 year old white guy.

Considering I stuck up for Jermaine on a few occasions, I really cant believe he didnt know when to stop.

I was looking foward to giving it to him when the Mets collapse.

Just wondering.

What a shame.

he will (not) be missed

I can believe it. The mods allowed the discussion to continue, they should have known it would escalate. He replied to mbn007's post and most people would have done the same. The thread should have been closed immediately after it got political. And to be fair, Max made it political when he said Delgado hated America. Jermaine felt like defending him I guess.

I can believe it. The mods allowed the discussion to continue, they should have known it would escalate. He replied to mbn007's post and most people would have done the same. The thread should have been closed immediately after it got political. And to be fair, Max made it political when he said Delgado hated America. Jermaine felt like defending him I guess.

mhm, stick up for the prepubecent little racist why dont ya

mhm, stick up for the prepubecent little racist why dont ya

He didn't stick up for Barton.

I really hope Jermaine is gone for good. I'm tired of his 10 threads on the Yankees a day and his racist comments. Thank god. Thank you Max.

Let us hope so that he did.:cheers:

I'll stick up for anyone I like. All I'm saying is that the thread became political and instead of nipping it in the bud, they let it escalate. Should have known what was going to happen like I did. If you don't want people to get into politics/race, then don't let them. But when you let them get into it, don't ban them because they participated in it.

This guy is finally gone. I was gettin sick of his sh*t startin and senseless posts.

I'll stick up for anyone I like. All I'm saying is that the thread became political and instead of nipping it in the bud, they let it escalate. Should have known what was going to happen like I did. If you don't want people to get into politics/race, then don't let them. But when you let them get into it, don't ban them because they participated in it.

Sharrow,
He was not banned for anything written in this thread. He didn't want to do anything but cause trouble. That is all well and good. But he went about it the wrong way.

Also Sharrow....we (the mods) are not here to babysit anyone. We made the rules clear. He chose to cause problems. Consistently.

There are no temporary bans here. You are here or you are not. I am not a big believer in the time out system.

This guy is finally gone. I was gettin sick of his sh*t startin and senseless posts.


http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/oa048.jpg

There are no temporary bans here. You are here or you are not. I am not a big believer in the time out system.

You mean I have to stay in the corner forever?

Sharrow,
He was not banned for anything written in this thread. He didn't want to do anything but cause trouble. That is all well and good. But he went about it the wrong way.

Also Sharrow....we (the mods) are not here to babysit anyone. We made the rules clear. He chose to cause problems. Consistently.Fair enough.

will be missed


Since BlowSawx has been exposed to be the fraud that he is.....Jermaine was the most entertainment on the JN baseball board in some time


Bad move Max......JMO:bag:

Ugh! Here we go playing god again with the lifetime bans...its not like Jermaine was making constant, incessant homo references or anything!


Putrid little sh*t Eric_Barton and retarded neanderthal Madmike CONSTANTLY make racist statements and nobody bats an eyelash because they are Tankee-loving d*ckbags!

*****ing hypocrites!!!!!!!


Jermaine was a good man and an asset to this community.

So let me get this straight...Jermaine is banned for saying not nice things about the Yankees but Barton and Madmike are free to make as many racist, derogatory comments as they see fit to the ire of many!?!?!??!?!


Glad to see the Powers That Be have their heads screwed on straight and arent at all hypocrites.

Did he get himself banned?

RIP BigQueenJermaine

BigJermaine is a joke.

BTW Jet/BoSox, Ortiz DOES look like a Gorilla, not being racist, he really does, ya know, the monkey! Oo-Oo-Aa. Very good.


He's a racist and time and time again he never just shut the hell up about the Yankees. I swear he was a closet Yankees fan who just hates every move they make with 10-15 threads a day about each and every inning of each and every game.

will be missed


Since BlowSawx has been exposed to be the fraud that he is.....Jermaine was the most entertainment on the JN baseball board in some time


Bad move Max......JMO:bag:

Jon,
Jermaine was not good for this board. He was great for this board. He got people mad. He got people talking. This is the goal of any message board. Driving up the hit counts along the way.

That being said there is a limit. He pushed it every single day. Here is the list of people who are banned here (besides fake users):

GlennFoley
Jermaine

It is hard to get banned here. Real hard. But enough with the nonsense. Enough with the racist posts. Let's talk baseball. I will address this in greater detail in another thread.

But I don't care if it would bring in an extra one million hits per month. There is certain crap that just won't be tolerated here.

Ugh! Here we go playing god again with the lifetime bans...its not like Jermaine was making constant, incessant homo references or anything!


Putrid little sh*t Eric_Barton and retarded neanderthal Madmike CONSTANTLY make racist statements and nobody bats an eyelash because they are Tankee-loving d*ckbags!

*****ing hypocrites!!!!!!!


Jermaine was a good man and an asset to this community.
awwwwww im sorry i see your a little mad about your butt***** buddy BigJermaineLikesc*ck gettin kicked off. I guess your gonna miss havin internet post sex with him you *****in assmunchin fanook.

awwwwww im sorry i see your a little mad about your butt***** buddy BigJermaineLikesc*ck gettin kicked off. I guess your gonna miss havin internet post sex with him you *****in assmunchin fanook.I think you're setting yourself up to be #3 man.