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GimmeShelter
06-08-2006, 09:00 AM
Despite youth movement, critic remains down on farm .

The Yankee farm system has had an approval rating in recent years to which perhaps only Barry Bonds can relate. For that matter, "The Da Vinci Code" is a critics' delight compared to reviews of Yankee prospects from within the baseball industry.
But surely such a perception is changing now that Melky Cabrera has become a Stadium darling and Andy Phillips is pounding home runs, a year after Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang emerged from the minors and enjoyed instant success.
Well, no. At least not to Jim Callis, executive editor of Baseball America, the publication widely acknowledged as the bible of all things minor league.
Callis is not a popular man among Yankee fans, many of whom are convinced Baseball America's organizational rankings are fueled by an anti-Yankee bias. "I get more E-mails from Yankee fans than anybody," Callis said yesterday. "If I had a dollar for every Yankee fan who has told me I must hate the Yankees, I could retire."
Callis, the point man for the rankings that have listed the Yankees as 17th, 24th, 27th, and 17th among baseball's 30franchises the last four years, insists he has no feeling one way or another about George Steinbrenner's ballclub. He also notes the rankings are far from just his opinion, but what amounts to a consensus of opinions gathered from scouts, scouting directors, farm directors, minor-league managers, and so on.
Still, Callis is not shy about voicing his own opinion. He's not sold that a few big moments from Cabrera and Phillips, or the continued development of Cano and Wang, have proven that the Yankees' farm system was underrated.
On Cabrera: "He's filled in nicely for them, but on a good team he's more of a fourth outfielder. I don't think he's a good center fielder, and I don't think he'll hit with enough power as a corner outfielder. If he's an everyday player for the Yankees in three or four years, I'll be stunned."
On Phillips: "He was a good college player. There are a lot of guys like that in Triple-A. He hit his way up the system, but he's 29. Is he a regular? No."
On Cano: "Yankee fans think I hate Cano. All I ever said about him is that he's not a second baseman long-term because he's got a big lower body. I don't think he's better than we thought he'd be. He's just doing it sooner than we thought. But I think in three or four years, Cano will be in left field for the Yankees."
On Chien-Ming Wang: "Usually guys who don't strike out a lot of hitters tend to struggle. He's done a little better than I thought. I thought he was a prospect, but he's got some moxie. I think he could be a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy."
On Eric Duncan, the Triple-A first baseman, regarded as perhaps the Yankees' best positional prospect: "If Eric Duncan was a Minnesota Twin, I don't think he'd get the hype he's gotten."
Right or wrong, it's not hard to see why Callis gets all those E-mails from Yankee fans, huh? On the other hand, Callis says he has never heard from a Yankee executive protesting the rankings or evaluation of the Yankee farm system.
Indeed, Yankee people for years have acknowledged, at least privately, the failings of their system, and wondered how Steinbrenner allowed such poor performance in the draft to go without consequence.
Callis says Brandon Claussen, the lefthander traded for Aaron Boone three years ago, is the best player the Yankees signed out of the draft between 1997 and 2003. Surely that's why Steinbrenner finally replaced Lin Garrett as scouting director with Damon Oppenheimer two years ago. Callis believes the Yankee drafts have improved since Oppenheimer took over and made a conscious effort to draft younger, more athletic players. For years, based on conversations he had with executives from several teams, Callis believes the Yankees drafted minor-league ready players with relatively low ceilings because Steinbrenner demanded that winning was the priority for even low-level teams in Tampa and Staten Island. "For years the Yankees took a shortsighted approach," Callis says. "Damon is trying to take the longer view."
With that in mind, Callis says the Yankees' system has improved significantly at the lower level. However, Callis says the Yankees deserve their farm-system ranking of only 17th this year because the upper levels have precious little major-league talent.
"They really don't have a lot at Double- or Triple-A," said Callis. "They needed a pitcher and they brought Scott Erickson up."
Ouch. Callis knows this will stir up more E-mails, but he points out that as recently as 2002, the Yankees' system ranked fifth. And he believes they are on the rise again. He's just not budging on any notion that Baseball America underrated the system that seems to be producing nightly heroics for the Yankees these days. Maybe he needs to see another replay of Melky's catch the other night.

Originally published on June 8, 2006

Bugg
06-08-2006, 09:09 AM
Doesn't really matter. fair point is that not picking Hansen was a mistake. Still, Eric Duncan is hitting .209 at Columbus.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Eric%20Duncan&pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=449080

Max
06-08-2006, 09:44 AM
Let me get this straight...Melky won't have enough power to be a corner OF. But in 3 years Cano will be playing LF for the Yankees.

Alrighty then.

I am not saying the Yankees farm is loaded. I am not a big Phillips fan, he is older for a "young guy". Cano and Wang have been solid. Melky has been solid. The Yankees players are mostly in the lower levels.

I have not been a huge Duncan fan. I do agree he is way overhyped.

124
06-08-2006, 10:27 AM
Why does Cabrera need to have power to be an outfiedler? In the OF your glove is your most important thing you have, then comes the arm, then the bat at the plate. You're telling me Cabrera can't hit 10-15 HR's, knock in 80 RBI's, steal 30-40 bases or more and be a very good future leadoff hitter, #2 hitter or 7th, 8th, or 9th hitter for the club?

80
06-08-2006, 10:35 AM
I have not been a huge Duncan fan. I do agree he is way overhyped.


Hey toon88, do you remember when Duncan took Lobban about 420 to dead center in the state final 3 years ago?

mbn007
06-08-2006, 10:36 AM
If you will objectively look at the long-term body of work at Baseball America, there is a distinct Anti-Yankee bias. This is not open for argument, the facts are the facts. Read the chats, and view the comments of players made over the years.

The issue I have with Callis and his cronies at BA, is that they do not rank a player based on his body of work, but on his "projection". This is a term used for potential. A 19 year old kid throwing 92 MPH, who is 6"5, and weighs 210, is "projected" to be able to throw 95+ by the time he gets to teh Majors, in BA's eyes. And such a kid gets a higher ranking then a 20 year old who is shorter, smaller, but throws 91, with a solid breaking pitch, and a change-up, and is already in a higher level in the Minors, and has better stats.

This flawed way of thinking allows BA to predict the "sleeper" who comes out of seemingly nowhere, but causes them to miss 10 times the number of solid prospects along the way. It also makes BA have rankings that many times are foolish, as they are missing out on the kids who really end up helping their parent clubs over time.

GimmeShelter
06-08-2006, 10:40 AM
I don't think Cabrera is a 30-40 steal guy.
The power numbers you never know as kids develop.

Defensively, I think the Yanks have to be thrilled that he can actually be placed in a corner Outfield spot after last years trial in center and this seasons early fumblings at any Outfield position.

Cano is the real deal no question.

If you made a list of the good teams around MLB it would be interesting to see how many outfields we'd have Melky in which is all the guy was basically saying.

mbn007
06-08-2006, 10:46 AM
I don't think Cabrera is a 30-40 steal guy.
The power numbers you never know as kids develop.

Defensively, I think the Yanks have to be thrilled that he can actually be placed in a corner Outfield spot after last years trial in center and this seasons early fumblings at any Outfield position.

Cano is the real deal no question.

If you made a list of the good teams around MLB it would be interesting to see how many outfields we'd have Melky in which is all the guy was basically saying.

Off the top of my head, I would say 21-22 teams. And on some of them, like the Royals, he would be their best player, interms of age and ability.

GimmeShelter
06-08-2006, 10:50 AM
Off the top of my head, I would say 21-22 teams. And on some of them, like the Royals, he would be their best player, interms of age and ability.

I think the writer mentioned the good teams ,not the Royals etc of the league.

mbn007
06-08-2006, 10:55 AM
I think the writer mentioned the good teams ,not the Royals etc of the league.

Understood.

But if you go through all the teams above .500, he is darn close to being an everyday player on most of them. Some of the teams I do not think he starts include poorer teams, like the Devil Rays.

GimmeShelter
06-08-2006, 11:01 AM
Understood.

But if you go through all the teams above .500, he is darn close to being an everyday player on most of them. Some of the teams I do not think he starts include poorer teams, like the Devil Rays.

If you have time later I would like to see that list.

Bugg
06-08-2006, 11:22 AM
Cano will be an above average 2B who works the count, which is key for the Yankees since this run began. He's having a better season than Marcus Giles,and if you said that at the beginning of the season people would've laughed at you.

As to Cabrera, if he can hit .300 and get an OBP close to .400, have some limited power and speed and field a stellar corner, why is that a bad thing? You cannot have an All Star at every position. And given how woeful the Yank defense has been lately that's a good thing.

Baseball America also thought Sean Burroughs and Oliver Perez were the 2nd coming of Joe Dimaggio and Sandy Koufax. They could be as wrong as any of us.

Barton
06-08-2006, 12:05 PM
Andy Phillips is just a flash in the pan type, imho. I do think he could be a decent .270 type hitter but a .300 hitter? I dont see that ever happening.

Cano is the best 2nd baseman in MLB.

Cabrera might be just as good as him if not better down the road, but I see at most, 20 steals per season for Cabrera.

MasonJet
06-08-2006, 12:30 PM
I don't think Cabrera is a 30-40 steal guy.
The power numbers you never know as kids develop.

Defensively, I think the Yanks have to be thrilled that he can actually be placed in a corner Outfield spot after last years trial in center and this seasons early fumblings at any Outfield position.

Cano is the real deal no question.

If you made a list of the good teams around MLB it would be interesting to see how many outfields we'd have Melky in which is all the guy was basically saying.

Callis' statment about Cano becoming a corner outfielder in a few years was pure idiocy. This kid is having a fantastic year in the field and is already a great fielder in only his 2nd year. He's only going to get better. I've never really heard of the guy but it's hard to take him seriously when he says something like that.

GimmeShelter
06-08-2006, 12:52 PM
Callis' statment about Cano becoming a corner outfielder in a few years was pure idiocy. This kid is having a fantastic year in the field and is already a great fielder in only his 2nd year. He's only going to get better. I've never really heard of the guy but it's hard to take him seriously when he says something like that.

No argument there, I love Cano.

Barton.....Chase Utley is the best 2B in the game and Uggla, Kent, Cantu, Weeks, Lopez on Seattle, Castillo on Pittsburgh and Iguchi are all about the same level of Cano.

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