Discuss.

Discuss.
Its almost kazmir-like :rolleyes:

Its almost kazmir-like :rolleyes:


I imagine they could probably use the arm teh way the yanks pitching staff has been this season.

Contreas faltered in NY. He wouldn't be doing this here.

Contreas faltered in NY. He wouldn't be doing this here.
if that makes you feel better OK,,, ;)

What is his career ERA against Boston?

What is his career ERA against Boston?
if that makes you feel better OK :rolleyes:

if that makes you feel better OK :rolleyes:

What? If you don't beat Boston, you don't belong in NY. Period.

What? If you don't beat Boston, you don't belong in NY. Period.

Would AROD fit into that category?

Would AROD fit into that category?
hahahhaha,,,
POTW nominee,, it wont win,, but a PERFECT callout at the 'what us make a mistake' mentality of some posters,,

hahahahaha

Would AROD fit into that category?

Scott...

Until proven otherwise...YES. It is that simple.

Contreas faltered in NY. He wouldn't be doing this here.

He sure as hell did it last post season including beating Boston.

he wasn't handeling the pressure in NY

i don't blame them for trading him one bit

Dipsh#ts. The Yankees gave Contreras his chance for 1 1/2 years and he blew it hard.

You cannot compare it to Kazmir because the Mets never gave him any chance to pitch in the big leagues and they traded him for a big loser like Zambrano while the Yankees traded him for Esteban Loaiza who had an unbelievable season just a couple years before.

Nice try, but no.

Dipsh#ts. The Yankees gave Contreras his chance for 1 1/2 years and he blew it hard.

You cannot compare it to Kazmir because the Mets never gave him any chance to pitch in the big leagues and they traded him for a big loser like Zambrano while the Yankees traded him for Esteban Loaiza who had an unbelievable season just a couple years before.

Nice try, but no.
if that makes you feel better,,OK,,
Cy Young for Jose in 2006 :D

if that makes you feel better,,OK,,
Cy Young for Jose in 2006 :D


Yes I feel so much better now.

Dipsh#ts. The Yankees gave Contreras his chance for 1 1/2 years and he blew it hard.

You cannot compare it to Kazmir because the Mets never gave him any chance to pitch in the big leagues and they traded him for a big loser like Zambrano while the Yankees traded him for Esteban Loaiza who had an unbelievable season just a couple years before.

Nice try, but no.


Contreras was 15-7 as a Yankee while adjusting to a new country without his family. In typical win now fashion the Yanks gave up on him

The Met fan can admit that their GM at the time blew the Kazmir deal.
Why is it so hard for the Yankee fan to do the same.?

Contreras was 15-7 as a Yankee while adjusting to a new country without his family. In typical win now fashion the Yanks gave up on him

The Met fan can admit that their GM at the time blew the Kazmir deal.
Why is it so hard for the Yankee fan to do the same.?


Because Contreras PROVED that he sucked. Kazmir didnt get that chance.

There's the big difference here. Now obviously I would take the trade back but I dont fault whoever traded him for Loaiza because Contreras was a big waste as a Yankee - win/loss records with the Yankees offense? Cmon GS.

Because Contreras PROVED that he sucked. Kazmir didnt get that chance.

There's the big difference here. Now obviously I would take the trade back but I dont fault whoever traded him for Loaiza because Contreras was a big waste as a Yankee - win/loss records with the Yankees offense? Cmon GS.
nah, doesnt fly,,
he was a pretty good ML pitcher who had some problems, ,kazmir was a proven minor leaguer but poven nothing,,
both trades look dumb now and THATS THE WAY YOU JUDGE TRADES,, years after the trade,,

who knows for gods sake,, kazmir might have sucked in nY and Jose might have worked things out,,

bottom line, Kazmir havin a good year and Jose is Cy Young winner

Because Contreras PROVED that he sucked. Kazmir didnt get that chance.

There's the big difference here. Now obviously I would take the trade back but I dont fault whoever traded him for Loaiza because Contreras was a big waste as a Yankee - win/loss records with the Yankees offense? Cmon GS.

In his first season with the Yanks his ERA 3.30, and WHIP 1.155 were actually lower than his 2005 WSOX season.

His second season with the Yanks he was 8-5 with a 5 ERA after 18 starts. That ERA remained unchanged the rest of the 2004 season as a WSox.

Like I said, he struggled yet won for only 1/2 a season as a Yank and was booted.

Contreras was 15-7 as a Yankee while adjusting to a new country without his family. In typical win now fashion the Yanks gave up on him

The Met fan can admit that their GM at the time blew the Kazmir deal.
Why is it so hard for the Yankee fan to do the same.?

how about his ERA, adjusted ERA and Whip? And his preformance as a Yankee against the Red Sox?

GS, you need to realize that win-loss records are the worst way to evaluate a pitcher. If a pitcher gets a 5-0 lead handed to him, he can give up 4 runs and still get a W.

how about his ERA, adjusted ERA and Whip? And his preformance as a Yankee against the Red Sox?

GS, you need to realize that win-loss records are the worst way to evaluate a pitcher. If a pitcher gets a 5-0 lead handed to him, he can give up 4 runs and still get a W.

I am well aware of that.....see Randy or my previous post.

but GS, he regressed, not progressed

big difference.

but GS, he regressed, not progressed

big difference.

18 struggling starts after he went 7-2 the year b4 with a good ERA and WHIP for a guy you HAD to outbid the universe on and you give up on him.

Sounds like a excuse.

but GS, he regressed, not progressed

big difference.
man up,, bad trade for yanks,,,

gee, man up and grow up,,

bust on kazmir, u look like fool not to realize u got bitch slapped by 2006 Cy Young winner Jose

nah, doesnt fly,,
he was a pretty good ML pitcher who had some problems, ,kazmir was a proven minor leaguer but poven nothing,,
both trades look dumb now and THATS THE WAY YOU JUDGE TRADES,, years after the trade,,

who knows for gods sake,, kazmir might have sucked in nY and Jose might have worked things out,,

bottom line, Kazmir havin a good year and Jose is Cy Young winner


Both trades were bad but the Mets trade of Kazmir is a different type of trade and will always be seen as that because the Mets never gave the kid a damn chance and tried to sneak in the playoffs with a loser like Victor Zambrano.
The Mets dipped into the farm and traded away a prospect with a huge ceiling.
The Yankees traded away a fat loser of 33 years for a pitcher who went 21-9 and finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting just the previous season!

So please, dont tell me the trades are alike. The Mets trade is of a different breed completely.
Kazmir is gonna be an ace for the next 10+ years, cant say the same for Contreras lol.

Both trades were bad but the Mets trade of Kazmir is a different type of trade and will always be seen as that because the Mets never gave the kid a damn chance and tried to sneak in the playoffs with a loser like Victor Zambrano.
The Mets dipped into the farm and traded away a prospect with a huge ceiling.
The Yankees traded away a fat loser of 33 years for a pitcher who went 21-9 and finished 2nd in the Cy Young voting just the previous season!

So please, dont tell me the trades are alike. The Mets trade is of a different breed completely.
Kazmir is gonna be an ace for the next 10+ years, cant say the same for Contreras lol.
nah, doesnt fly,,u r flawed,, your argument is only valid in 10 years if true,,
bottom line after Jose wins Cy Young this year it will take many years of quality starts for this trade to even out,,right now Yanks look like the worse in the bargain,,

nah, doesnt fly,,u r flawed,, your argument is only valid in 10 years if true,,
bottom line after Jose wins Cy Young this year it will take many years of quality starts for this trade to even out,,right now Yanks look like the worse in the bargain,,


LOL my arguement is flawed? I just told you how the trade was completely different, trying using some real stuff then saying "nah doesnt fly"

I'm done here, I dont need to explain the significance and the difference between the 2 trades again and again.

LOL my arguement is flawed? I just told you how the trade was completely different, trying using some real stuff then saying "nah doesnt fly"

I'm done here, I dont need to explain the significance and the difference between the 2 trades again and again.
OK,
but major flawed,, u make silliest argument in history of message boards by saying 'kazmir will be great for 10 years' ,,admit it,,thats idiotic as a argument,,

crystal ball analysis,, outright hilarious and refusal to man up to a yank blunder,,

Well, he went to the better team with better coaching, better offense, and better defense, I'd expect him to be better. :P

This was discussed on baseball tonight last night and the two key statements to me were

--The Yankees wouldn't let Contreras be himself. They wanted to tinker with his motion/delivery while Ozzie Guillen just gives him the ball and says "here, throw it"

--It was a surprise that the Yankees dealt Contreras becuase at the time they were trying desperately to unload him and nobody wanted to take him off their hands. I think it was Kruk who said "at the time it was a great job by Cashman finding somebody to take him off their hands"


IMO, knowing that Contreras was absolutely horrible against the Red Sox I had no problem with dealing him. Knowing now that the Yanks weren't letting him pitch his way pisses me off but what can you do? Take what you got and go to battle with it since there's no point in bitching about what could have been.

How is Esteban Loiaza working out for the Yanks anyways?