he just hire Boras as his agent....sorry fellow Mets Fans.


he will be asking for MAJOR loot....only George can give him that!!!

Zito is too damn good looking to play for the Mets.

He'll look very nice in Yankee pinstripes next season!

Yeah, the Mets have showed their complete unwillingness to open up their check books. It's a shame that they let Pedro re-sign with the Red Sox when the Mets could have easily gotten him. It's also a real shame that the Astros were able to top the Mets weak offer to Carlos Beltran, who, although had a bad year last year, is on fire for the Astros this year. Even though his numbers, or, more specifically his average, haven't looked good, it's a shame the Mets weren't willing to pay for a lot of Delgado's contract when they could have traded for him this off season.

Yeah, the Mets have showed their complete unwillingness to open up their check books. It's a shame that they let Pedro re-sign with the Red Sox when the Mets could have easily gotten him. It's also a real shame that the Astros were able to top the Mets weak offer to Carlos Beltran, who, although had a bad year last year, is on fire for the Astros this year. Even though his numbers, or, more specifically his average, haven't looked good, it's a shame the Mets weren't willing to pay for a lot of Delgado's contract when they could have traded for him this off season.

LOL, these are good points. And the Mets will probably have more room to spend money this offseason. More than the Yankees will anyhow. I haven't look at what the Yankees have coming off the books thought (Sheff?). Once Wright and Pavano are off the books and Cashman has his brain transplant completed the Yankees should be okay though!

:p

LOL, these are good points. And the Mets will probably have more room to spend money this offseason. More than the Yankees will anyhow. I haven't look at what the Yankees have coming off the books thought (Sheff?). Once Wright and Pavano are off the books and Cashman has his brain transplant completed the Yankees should be okay though!

:p
The Yanks need to let Cashman decide what is right and wrong for the team, not those morons in Tampa.

The Mets should have a decent amount of play money w/o Kaz's contract, Floyd and Trachsel (although only $2.5M, he is very replacable with a cheaper guy like Bannister, or Maine, or Pelfrey, or Humber, with potential for better results).

I'd prefer they'd use that money towards Wright and/or Reyes, rather than signing somebody big.

I just don't see Zito calling the East coast his home. I see him landing in LA with the Dodgers.

The Yanks need to let Cashman decide what is right and wrong for the team, not those morons in Tampa.

The Mets should have a decent amount of play money w/o Kaz's contract, Floyd and Trachsel (although only $2.5M, he is very replacable with a cheaper guy like Bannister, or Maine, or Pelfrey, or Humber, with potential for better results).

I'd prefer they'd use that money towards Wright and/or Reyes, rather than signing somebody big.

I thought Cashman should have gotten bounced a few years ago. But I am in total agreement with you. Give him (or anyone total control) instead of the Tampa\NY battle.

Why?

This way we clearly know how to blame when they fail! :)

As Buck and McCarver said tonight, 5 years-$75 million seems about right with the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees being the 3 main teams aiming for him.

The Yankees will acquire Zito, Willis, and Scott Kazmir on July 31st. You heard it here first from the expert Yankee fans on Jetnation.com.

I agree with Gainzo. I would be very suprised if Zito leaves the West Coast.

Dodgers or Angels will be where he ends up. If the A's decide to dump him before the deadline then I can see him going East for a few months to help a team down the stretch. The question though becomes will a team like the Mets, Cardinals, Astros, Red Sox, Yankees or Angels be will to part with at least two major prospects to acquire a guy who may be there for only two months.

It is a sellers market right now with so many teams in the race. To bring in a guy like Zito, Kazmir, Wills etc teams are going to have to really pony up the prospects in order the get them.

Max: It looks like Cashman is totally in charge of this right now. If Tampa had any influence on what was going on then Cano, Wang, Cabrera, or Hughes would have already been gone in a deal to bring in someone to replace Matsui and or Sheffield.

The Yanks right now are biding their time and will strike when the time is right.

I did see that Ruben Sierra was released by the Twins so I would not be surprised if he ends up back in the Bronx as a bat coming off the bench.

mets need to take of their own 1st. use the money they would waste on over rated Zito to go towards locking up Wright & Reyes.

Everything you hear about Zito is that he is a west coast type of guy and that is where is would seem most comfortable so Dodgers/ Angels/Padres seems to be the most likely places for him to end up

:eek: Over-rated Zito?:eek: I don't feel like arguing, but...WOW.

Faba, if he ends up in LA, he ends up in LA, but it would be great to see him in Yankee pinstripes.

:eek: Over-rated Zito?:eek: I don't feel like arguing, but...WOW.

Faba, if he ends up in LA, he ends up in LA, but it would be great to see him in Yankee pinstripes.



124....i think he is pretty over-rated. he had 1 very good year, 1 great year and 3 very average years. believe me, he is a good lefty pitcher, but I'm not ready to throw $15 million a year at him.

'01- 17-8
'02- 23-5
'03- 14-12
'04- 11-11
'05- 14-13

all while pitching for a competitive team every year. I like Zito as a pitcher, just think he is over hyped.

The Yankees will acquire Zito, Willis, and Scott Kazmir on July 31st. You heard it here first from the expert Yankee fans on Jetnation.com.


WTF. What is wrong with you? You are always so anal when it comes to the Yankees and now you make sh#t up again. Stop being such a whiny beyatch please.

Yeah, the Mets have showed their complete unwillingness to open up their check books. It's a shame that they let Pedro re-sign with the Red Sox when the Mets could have easily gotten him. It's also a real shame that the Astros were able to top the Mets weak offer to Carlos Beltran, who, although had a bad year last year, is on fire for the Astros this year. Even though his numbers, or, more specifically his average, haven't looked good, it's a shame the Mets weren't willing to pay for a lot of Delgado's contract when they could have traded for him this off season.

Anyone see the irony in this post???


Let me help you. Is it not Mets/Red Sox fans who cry about the spending of the Yankees? And here is a post touting the Mets willingness to throw money around...:eek:



Good **** Exit!:box:

124....i think he is pretty over-rated. he had 1 very good year, 1 great year and 3 very average years. believe me, he is a good lefty pitcher, but I'm not ready to throw $15 million a year at him.

'01- 17-8
'02- 23-5
'03- 14-12
'04- 11-11
'05- 14-13

all while pitching for a competitive team every year. I like Zito as a pitcher, just think he is over hyped.


I agree he was slightly overrated coming into this year, but he is having a very good season. He's a borderline #1 pitcher, more like a really good #2, but I still like him alot. And you cannot look at W and L to judge a pitcher when his team gives him little run support.

04 he had a very unZitolike season but the rest of his career he has been very good. He's pitched over 210 innings every year of his career.
And he would be unbelieveably good in the NL, especially in that NL East division. He would be going after the Cy Young every year of his deal if the Mets got him.

124....i think he is pretty over-rated. he had 1 very good year, 1 great year and 3 very average years. believe me, he is a good lefty pitcher, but I'm not ready to throw $15 million a year at him.

'01- 17-8
'02- 23-5
'03- 14-12
'04- 11-11
'05- 14-13

all while pitching for a competitive team every year. I like Zito as a pitcher, just think he is over hyped.
Only a complete moron uses W-Lrecords alone to judge seasons.

124....i think he is pretty over-rated. he had 1 very good year, 1 great year and 3 very average years. believe me, he is a good lefty pitcher, but I'm not ready to throw $15 million a year at him.

'01- 17-8
'02- 23-5
'03- 14-12
'04- 11-11
'05- 14-13

all while pitching for a competitive team every year. I like Zito as a pitcher, just think he is over hyped.

What I take from it is that Oakland, like Houston for Clemens, doesn't give Zito the greatest run support, although to be fair he had some struggles in 05 and early on this season.

Only a complete moron uses W-Lrecords alone to judge seasons.

Ya know I'm a fellow Yankee fan but you have got to stop calling people out on every single post you make. If you want to debate, do so, but do it respectably unless the person lashes out at you first.

Ya know I'm a fellow Yankee fan but you have got to stop calling people out on every single post you make. If you want to debate, do so, but do it respectably unless the person lashes out at you first.

I call people out when they say retarded things no matter what team they root for.

I call people out when they say retarded things no matter what team they root for.

People are going to start ignoring your posts and you arn't gaining any respect around here by doing it. Just a heads up.

People are going to start ignoring your posts and you arn't gaining any respect around here by doing it. Just a heads up.
People see that i know what i'm talking about. Thats enough for me.

Anyone see the irony in this post???


Let me help you. Is it not Mets/Red Sox fans who cry about the spending of the Yankees? And here is a post touting the Mets willingness to throw money around...:eek:



Good **** Exit!:box:
And they also lowered the payroll from last year and the year before that, too, I believe.

WTF. What is wrong with you? You are always so anal when it comes to the Yankees and now you make sh#t up again. Stop being such a whiny beyatch please.


Don't complain to me. Complain to the Yankee fans who seem to believe that they will bring in every talented player on the market simply because they are the Yankees. It doesn't work like that anymore. The Yankees don't have the farm system to make major deals, and no one particularly wants to help out the Yankees anyways.

Don't complain to me. Complain to the Yankee fans who seem to believe that they will bring in every talented player on the market simply because they are the Yankees. It doesn't work like that anymore. The Yankees don't have the farm system to make major deals, and no one particularly wants to help out the Yankees anyways.


Gotta love those Mets fans.

Scream bloody murder when the Yanks trade prospects for big name talent but now that Cashman isn't trading the prospects the farm system is "empty"

Guys like Cano, Wang, Cabrera could all have been and probably would have just two years ago but now the Yankees are reaping the benfits of that "empty" farm system.

If the Yankees make a move it will be for bullpen. They are not going to get a starting pitcher the price is too high. Even with Matsui and Sheff out for the season there is enough hitting for them to overtake the Sox.

Gotta love those Mets fans.

Scream bloody murder when the Yanks trade prospects for big name talent but now that Cashman isn't trading the prospects the farm system is "empty"

Guys like Cano, Wang, Cabrera could all have been and probably would have just two years ago but now the Yankees are reaping the benfits of that "empty" farm system.




Excuse me, but just naming Cano, Wang, and Cabrera and assuming that that means the Yankees have a healthy farm system doesn't take in the scope of the situation. How do you truly think the Yankee farm system compares to the rest of baseball?

And for the record, trading for talent will not make me "scream bloody murder". Each team is getting something in return. But the Yankees have more consistently been in the habit of signing expensive free agents for more than they are worth and praying their expensive roster plays out without injuries. When that doesn't happen, it should be desevedly mocked. And it's laughable when excuses are made.

Excuse me, but just naming Cano, Wang, and Cabrera and assuming that that means the Yankees have a healthy farm system doesn't take in the scope of the situation. How do you truly think the Yankee farm system compares to the rest of baseball?

And for the record, trading for talent will not make me "scream bloody murder". Each team is getting something in return. But the Yankees have more consistently been in the habit of signing expensive free agents for more than they are worth and praying their expensive roster plays out without injuries. When that doesn't happen, it should be desevedly mocked. And it's laughable when excuses are made.

Yup for the last year and a half all we have heard was how the Yankee farm system was dry and how all the talent had been traded away.

Sometimes the experts are wrong. I'm no genius on everyone's farm system heck I'm not even a genius on the Yankees farm system but I do know that when you can call up three guys in the past year and a half and they stick and make contributions then obviously the farm system is not as barren as the "experts" think.

As far as the free agents are concerned I won't argue most of it except for the fact that except for Giambi George has let the other guys set the market before diving in.

It's something the Mets have taken to heart with the signing of Pedro. They gave him more than he was worth hoping that he doesn't break down. So far they have been right. Does he hold up the rest of the season ? Does he make it to year two or three ? Maybe he does maybe he doesn't.

The only excuses I have seen so far is that Matsui and Sheff are basically out. Well that is garbage too as far as I'm concerned. A-Rod and Giambi should be more than enough. Right now they sit three games back. Doesn't look that insurmountable to me.

I'm fine with the Yanks just the way they are. If they can get another guy for the pen I think they will have enough to overtake the Sox. The Sox have already played their best baseball and they still haven't been able to shake the Yanks or for that matter Toronto.

The Yanks are fine and know maybe the delve into the farm system again and pull out "Another Gem".

Of course your not gonna scream anymore. Cause the Mets are doing the same thing now with the raping of the Marlins that the Mets conducted last year. It's okay to take somebody else's high priced talent if it helps you and dam the rest.

Face it. The Mets like the Sox are becoming what you have "despised" for years. A team of highered guns. Yes you have some great young talent in Wright and Reyes the same way the Yanks had it with Jeter, Rivera, Bernie, and Pettitte. Now you surround that talent with hired guns like Beltran, Pedro, Glavine, Delgado, Loduca and wow all of a sudden you have a playoff team.

Doesn't seem so bad now that is helps you does it ? :)

Excuse me, but just naming Cano, Wang, and Cabrera and assuming that that means the Yankees have a healthy farm system doesn't take in the scope of the situation. How do you truly think the Yankee farm system compares to the rest of baseball?

And for the record, trading for talent will not make me "scream bloody murder". Each team is getting something in return. But the Yankees have more consistently been in the habit of signing expensive free agents for more than they are worth and praying their expensive roster plays out without injuries. When that doesn't happen, it should be desevedly mocked. And it's laughable when excuses are made.
The yankee farm system is FAR AND AWAY better then the mets' right now and it's only getting better since cashman took over.

The yankee farm system is FAR AND AWAY better then the mets' right now and it's only getting better since cashman took over.


Exactly what proof do you have of this? Have you not watched David Wright, Jose Reyes, and former Met Scott Kazmir play?

Exactly what proof do you have of this? Have you not watched David Wright, Jose Reyes, and former Met Scott Kazmir play?
Are wright kazmir and reyes in the minors? cause unless they got demoted and i don't know about it they are in the majors and have been for 3+ years.

Are wright kazmir and reyes in the minors? cause unless they got demoted and i don't know about it they are in the majors and have been for 3+ years.


Well I don't know about you, but I don't watch or follow Minor League baseball, and I highly doubt you do either. All I know about is the talent the Mets have produced recently, and its been nothing short of brilliant. Cano, Wang, and Cabrera cannot compare to the 3 I mentioned.

If you can show me reason to believe the Yankee farm system is in significantly better shape than the Mets' at the present time, by all means prove it. But results at the ML level mean more to me than anything else when discussing a farm system.

Well I don't know about you, but I don't watch or follow Minor League baseball, and I highly doubt you do either. All I know about is the talent the Mets have produced recently, and its been nothing short of brilliant. Cano, Wang, and Cabrera cannot compare to the 3 I mentioned.

If you can show me reason to believe the Yankee farm system is in significantly better shape than the Mets' at the present time, by all means prove it. But results at the ML level mean more to me than anything else when discussing a farm system.Your farm system is by difinition your minor leagues. There is NO DOUBT that the mets have produced 3 great major league players in the past 4 years that however has NOTHING to do with their farm system right now that i was talking about in my previous post. The yankees produced 3 hall of fame players and about 5 good ones in their 90's run and that has nothing to do with it either. every team produces great players thats more luck then anything else.

Where you're wrong is that i do go to and follow minor league baseball and the yankees have MUCH better talent throughout their minor leagues then the mets do right now.

Where you're wrong is that i do go to and follow minor league baseball and the yankees have MUCH better talent throughout their minor leagues then the mets do right now.



Yet you have put forth zero effort to prove this "fact" to me!


A farm system is worthless if it does not produce talent for its "parent", namely, its major league club. So all your spinning that Wright, Reyes, and Kazmir does NOT prove the farm system is successful is worthless. It is not pure luck that produces these happenings. Where do you think these players learn the skills necesarry to play in the bigs?

Yet you have put forth zero effort to prove this "fact" to me!


A farm system is worthless if it does not produce talent for its "parent", namely, its major league club. So all your spinning that Wright, Reyes, and Kazmir does NOT prove the farm system is successful is worthless. It is not pure luck that produces these happenings. Where do you think these players learn the skills necesarry to play in the bigs?
The Yankees top 10 list of prospects IN THE MINORS which is what i mean by farm system is just far better then the mets top 10 right now. You can check the players and stats and scouting reports.don't take my word for it.

Yet you have put forth zero effort to prove this "fact" to me!


A farm system is worthless if it does not produce talent for its "parent", namely, its major league club. So all your spinning that Wright, Reyes, and Kazmir does NOT prove the farm system is successful is worthless. It is not pure luck that produces these happenings. Where do you think these players learn the skills necesarry to play in the bigs?
WHO CARES if the farm system is "successful" thats not what i was saying. The yankees have produced hall of famers in the past decade but that has NOTHING TO DO with the state of their system's right now.

The Yankees top 10 list of prospects IN THE MINORS which is what i mean by farm system is just far better then the mets top 10 right now. You can check the players and stats and scouting reports.don't take my word for it.


Of course I won't take your word for it. You haven't shown me a damn good reason to believe you.

Of course I won't take your word for it. You haven't shown me a damn good reason to believe you.
Thats fine just don't get in arguments about things you don't know anything about.

Thats fine just don't get in arguments about things you don't know anything about.


That's funny, I was under the impression that you were talking out of your ass. Once again, show me something to prove your point. How is the Yankee farm system SIGNIFICANTLY more successful than the Mets farm system? Or can your credibility drop even lower?

That's funny, I was under the impression that you were talking out of your ass. Once again, show me something to prove your point. How is the Yankee farm system SIGNIFICANTLY more successful than the Mets farm system? Or can your credibility drop even lower?

Let's see

Jeter
Posada
Pettitte
Wang
Cano
Cabrera
Wily Mo Pena
Halsey
Mike Lowell

I don't think I need to go on. But

Nick Johnson
Soriano

I'm sure there are a few more

That's funny, I was under the impression that you were talking out of your ass. Once again, show me something to prove your point. How is the Yankee farm system SIGNIFICANTLY more successful than the Mets farm system? Or can your credibility drop even lower?You obviously don't understand my point. This is NOT an aguement about which system HAS PRODUCED the best ML players (the yankees win that one too by the way) It's about who has the best prospects RIGHT NOW. I'm not going to rail off the names of players you've probably never heard of. IF you want to do some reasearch into the systems to see who has the best one right now by my guest.

Let's see

Jeter
Posada
Pettitte
Wang
Cano
Cabrera
Wily Mo Pena
Halsey
Mike Lowell

I don't think I need to go on.


His point was that the farm system does not need to produce great major league talent for it to be successful. Which, as you understand, is a retarded argument. Maybe you, a Yankee fan, can explain this ideology to him?

I'm not going to rail off the names of players you've probably never heard of. IF you want to do some reasearch into the systems to see who has the best one right now by my guest.



When you make a claim, you are the one that should be backing it up. Just like when you point your finger at someone, you must PROVE they are guilty. Understand? Your rationale is "the Yankees have a better farm system, and I don't care what you have to say otherwise." Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

His point was that the farm system does not need to produce great major league talent for it to be successful. Which, as you understand, is a retarded argument. Maybe you, a Yankee fan, can explain this ideology to him?
NOT TRUE. I never used the word successful. I said the yankees have better PROSPECTS IN THE MINORS RIGHT NOW then the mets do. THATS IT.

When you make a claim, you are the one that should be backing it up. Just like when you point your finger at someone, you must PROVE they are guilty. Understand? Your rationale is "the Yankees have a better farm system, and I don't care what you have to say otherwise." Don't you see how ridiculous that is?
I can tell you that hughes is better then pelfrey or that jb cox is better then lindstrom or that tabata is gaining fast on millage or that clippard is better then humber but you probably don't know who those guys are.

Just my opinion, but why are we arguing about players that frankly, nobody knows about. I don't give a **** if a guy hits 30 homeruns in AAA if he comes into the majors and hits 5 and can't play defense and bats .220. Or if a pitcher is 17-8 with a sub 3 ERA in AAA but in the majors finds out he can't just blow by with his fastball anymore and struggles and is back in the minors in 2 months. Lets have a discussion whose minor league system was better in 5 years when all these prospects will either be successful or be total flops.

Just my opinion, but why are we arguing about players that frankly, nobody knows about. I don't give a **** if a guy hits 30 homeruns in AAA if he comes into the majors and hits 5 and can't play defense and bats .220. Or if a pitcher is 17-8 with a sub 3 ERA in AAA but in the majors finds out he can't just blow by with his fastball anymore and struggles and is back in the minors in 2 months. Lets have a discussion whose minor league system was better in 5 years when all these prospects will either be successful or be total flops.


Exactly. Which is the exact reason why madmike refuses to accept MY argument because he knows David Wright and Jose Reyes are way more talented than any prospect the Yankees have produced in a long time.

What Phillip Humber, Mike Pelfrey and Lastings Millege do in the minors doesn't mean a damn thing if they can't produce in the majors, and the same goes for any Yankee prospect.

Just my opinion, but why are we arguing about players that frankly, nobody knows about. I don't give a **** if a guy hits 30 homeruns in AAA if he comes into the majors and hits 5 and can't play defense and bats .220. Or if a pitcher is 17-8 with a sub 3 ERA in AAA but in the majors finds out he can't just blow by with his fastball anymore and struggles and is back in the minors in 2 months. Lets have a discussion whose minor league system was better in 5 years when all these prospects will either be successful or be total flops.

Thats a perfectly valid point but i'm a pretty big fan of minor league baseball so i know more about these players then most. Just because the yankee system is better right now dosn't mean they will be better major leagers and i never said it would. All i said was that RIGHT NOW the yankees have better prospects then the mets do.

Exactly. Which is the exact reason why madmike refuses to accept MY argument because he knows David Wright and Jose Reyes are way more talented than any prospect the Yankees have produced in a long time.

What Phillip Humber, Mike Pelfrey and Lastings Millege do in the minors doesn't mean a damn thing if they can't produce in the majors, and the same goes for any Yankee prospect.
You still don't get my point all i'm talking about is players in the minors RIGHT NOW. If you want to get into who has produced better players in the majors thats a different argument.

Here is what I can tell you.

I saw Norfolk play Charlotte last week. The best player on the field was not Milledge but a kid named Josh Field for Charlotte who if it wasn't for Crede would be playing 3rd base for the White Sox right now.

Norfolk is 35-55, Columbus who I will see next week is 39-48 so unless both teams have some jewels below triple A neither looks all that great.

Here is what I can tell you.

I saw Norfolk play Charlotte last week. The best player on the field was not Milledge but a kid named Josh Field for Charlotte who if it wasn't for Crede would be playing 3rd base for the White Sox right now.

Norfolk is 35-55, Columbus who I will see next week is 39-48 so unless both teams have some jewels below triple A neither looks all that great.



The Mets AAA team is definitely not very strong, especially the pitching. That is the main reason why they had to deal with "Lima time"; there weren't many pitchers at the AAA level to help them out. I don't think that that should be put on Minaya and the current regime, because he didn't draft those players who are now in AAA. Still, it may be a reason for concern, but I do believe Minaya's first 2 drafts brought in some very talented players, leading me to believe that AA and single-A are in good shape. But only time will tell if those guys pan out.

Here is what I can tell you.

I saw Norfolk play Charlotte last week. The best player on the field was not Milledge but a kid named Josh Field for Charlotte who if it wasn't for Crede would be playing 3rd base for the White Sox right now.

Norfolk is 35-55, Columbus who I will see next week is 39-48 so unless both teams have some jewels below triple A neither looks all that great.

Columbus has one prospect all the yankee prospects are at lower levels.

When you make a claim, you are the one that should be backing it up. Just like when you point your finger at someone, you must PROVE they are guilty. Understand? Your rationale is "the Yankees have a better farm system, and I don't care what you have to say otherwise." Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

To be fair,you started all this by making accusations about the yankees and their farm club which you've done nothing to back up.

The Yankees don't have the farm system to make major deals

Excuse me, but just naming Cano, Wang, and Cabrera and assuming that that means the Yankees have a healthy farm system doesn't take in the scope of the situation. How do you truly think the Yankee farm system compares to the rest of baseball?

That one in particular seems to be what he's been responding to.

To be fair,you started all this by making accusations about the yankees and their farm club which you've done nothing to back up.



Excuse me, but just naming Cano, Wang, and Cabrera and assuming that that means the Yankees have a healthy farm system doesn't take in the scope of the situation. How do you truly think the Yankee farm system compares to the rest of baseball?

That one in particular seems to be what he's been responding to.
Thats exactly what they are responding to. Just because the yankees arn't trading them dosn't mean they don't have prospects.

To be fair,you started all this by making accusations about the yankees and their farm club which you've done nothing to back up.



Excuse me, but just naming Cano, Wang, and Cabrera and assuming that that means the Yankees have a healthy farm system doesn't take in the scope of the situation. How do you truly think the Yankee farm system compares to the rest of baseball?

That one in particular seems to be what he's been responding to.


Right, and my argument is that successful home grown major league talent is the best indicator of a successful farm system. I don't think Cabrera, Cano, and Wang prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Yankee farm system churns out better talented than a Mets system that produced Reyes, Wright, and Kazmir. That was my primary claim.

I do not have a great body of knowledge concerning the current minor league players of the Yankees and Mets, nor do I think we should be judging them until they perform at the Major League level.

[QUOTE=shutout;271910]To be fair,you started all this by making accusations about the yankees and their farm club which you've done nothing to back up.






Right, and my argument is that successful home grown major league talent is the best indicator of a successful farm system. I don't think Cabrera, Cano, and Wang prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Yankee farm system churns out better talented than a Mets system that produced Reyes, Wright, and Kazmir. That was my primary claim.

I do not have a great body of knowledge concerning the current minor league players of the Yankees and Mets, nor do I think we should be judging them until they perform at the Major League level.
The only basis for your argument is cutting the time frame. If you say who has produced the best players in the past 4 years it's the mets. Past 10 years-ever it's the yankees.

[QUOTE=Jetsfan80;271913]
The only basis for your argument is cutting the time frame. If you say who has produced the best players in the past 4 years it's the mets. Past 10 years-ever it's the yankees.

As Garb as in here quote

We have BINGO !!!!

Now the question becomes will the Mets pony up 12-15 mil a year for Wright and Reyes when they are up for free agency.

[QUOTE=madmike1;271919]

As Garb as in here quote

We have BINGO !!!!

Now the question becomes will the Mets pony up 12-15 mil a year for Wright and Reyes when they are up for free agency.



Obviously the Mets will keep Wright and Reyes in Mets uniforms. This is Omar Minaya we're talking about, not Dan Duquette.

And speaking of Minaya, I care a lot more about the last 2 years than the previous 8. The Mets have had some really terrible front office guys before Minaya arrived on the scene. I have full confidence that the Mets present AND future is bright with him around.

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Obviously the Mets will keep Wright and Reyes in Mets uniforms. This is Omar Minaya we're talking about, not Dan Duquette.

And speaking of Minaya, I care a lot more about the last 2 years than the previous 8. The Mets have had some really terrible front office guys before Minaya arrived on the scene. I have full confidence that the Mets present AND future is bright with him around.


Yeah that and boatful of TV money. :)

Yeah that and boatful of TV money. :)


Says a Yankee fan whose teams spends and makes enough money to fill several Titanics.

Says a Yankee fan whose teams spends and makes enough money to fill several Titanics.
After signing Wright and Reyes the mets are gonna be right up there with the yankees.

Add to the fact that they will also be doling out the cash for starting pitching when glavine and Pedro retire.

Give the Mets two years with their new TV network and they will not only be right up their with the Yankees but most likely past them.

Once you start feeding the moster you can't stop. The Mets are in that position now and their payroll will continue to escalate in the next two to three years just like the Yankees did once the YES Network started.

Better get used to it 80. Those complaints you throw at the Yankees for the past two years are gonna be coming back at you in about 2008.

This is a very funny thread.

madmike says the yankees farm system is better and jf80 says that Wright, Reyes and Kazmir are all studs.

They're not even part of the frickin minor league system anymore LOL.
BA doesnt rate the Mets system from players that have been in the league for 3 years lol.

The Yankees have the farm system to go out and get a big name pitcher, but they wont do it anymore. They're back to their ways that built the great 90's team.

And where are Yankee fans claiming their land on Zito, Kazmir and Willis.
Sure we want those players and we'll probably go after Zito when he's a FA, but you want them too. Nobody is saying its a done deal, relax.

This is a very funny thread.

madmike says the yankees farm system is better and jf80 says that Wright, Reyes and Kazmir are all studs.

They're not even part of the frickin minor league system anymore LOL.
BA doesnt rate the Mets system from players that have been in the league for 3 years lol.

The Yankees have the farm system to go out and get a big name pitcher, but they wont do it anymore. They're back to their ways that built the great 90's team.

And where are Yankee fans claiming their land on Zito, Kazmir and Willis.
Sure we want those players and we'll probably go after Zito when he's a FA, but you want them too. Nobody is saying its a done deal, relax.

What Barton no F'Bombs today ?

First of all, Hughes is not better than Pelfrey, and Tabata is nowhere near Milledge. If you're going to compare Tabata to a prospect in the Mets system, compare him to Fernando Martinez, another guy signed last year, or within the past 2, out of some foreign nation at a young age. Saying Tabata is near Milledge is just assinine.

First of all, Hughes is not better than Pelfrey, and Tabata is nowhere near Milledge. If you're going to compare Tabata to a prospect in the Mets system, compare him to Fernando Martinez, another guy signed last year, or within the past 2, out of some foreign nation at a young age. Saying Tabata is near Milledge is just assinine.

Acctualy any scout will tell you that Hughes is a MUCH more polished prospect and has much better secondary pitches and command then Pelfrey. Better then any other pitching prospect in baseball for that matter.

Tabata is heads and shoulders above martinez and while his age keeps him below millage he's gaining fast.Here is a quote from Jim Callis who HATES the yankees "Tabata was the most impressive position player in the Futures Game. One of the 10-20 best prospects in baseball, I think."

Acctualy any scout will tell you that Hughes is a MUCH more polished prospect and has much better secondary pitches and command then Pelfrey. Better then any other pitching prospect in baseball for that matter.

Tabata is heads and shoulders above martinez and while his age keeps him below millage he's gaining fast.
I'm sure you talk to scouts all the time. Right now, Hughes IS the better player, i.e. he is at a higher level. But, as far as POTENTIAL, Pelfrey dominates him.

You can't judge either because they're still both in A ball, but Martinez was expected to be better and missed a lot of time injured. When you convert his stats to the same number of at bats as Tabta's they both edge each other in different categories, so there is no way Tabata is "head and shoulders" above Martinez.

He is in no way "gaining fast" on "Millage," or Milledge, because Milledge is in AAA and has already touched the Majors (and performed decent there). Comparing them is pretty stupid because there is no competition.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/wtny_midseason_4.php
Wrong again the only thing Pelfrey has on Hughes is about 3 MPH on his fastball. He's not close to as good of a prospect. He not even ON most top 25 lists.

I'm sure you talk to scouts all the time. Right now, Hughes IS the better player, i.e. he is at a higher level. But, as far as POTENTIAL, Pelfrey dominates him.

You can't judge either because they're still both in A ball, but Martinez was expected to be better and missed a lot of time injured. When you convert his stats to the same number of at bats as Tabta's they both edge each other in different categories, so there is no way Tabata is "head and shoulders" above Martinez.

He is in no way "gaining fast" on "Millage," or Milledge, because Milledge is in AAA and has already touched the Majors (and performed decent there). Comparing them is pretty stupid because there is no competition.Jim Callis who HATES the yankees calls tabata a top 20 prospect in baseball it's more then pure stats.

Hughes isn't at a higher level then pelfrey get your facts straight.

Jim Callis who HATES the yankees calls tabata a top 20 prospect in baseball.

Are you even going to read what I'm typing? In no way did I deny that he was a very good prospect; but he is still in Single A and his first year of professional baseball in the US; he has yet to even hit a major slump to break out of.

Are you even going to read what I'm typing? In no way did I deny that he was a very good prospect; but he is still in Single A and his first year of professional baseball in the US; he has yet to even hit a major slump to break out of.
I said he was gaining on millage and being a top 20 prospect in baseball at 17 is doing just that.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/wtny_midseason_4.php
Wrong again the only thing Pelfrey has on Hughes is about 3 MPH on his fastball. He's not close to as good of a prospect. He not even ON most top 25 lists.
Pelfrey isn't even in the top 23. That list is a complete joke.

I said he was gaining on millage and being a top 20 prospect in baseball at 17 is doing just that.
And like I said, he won't necessarily keep that pace because he hasn't hit any rifts and everyone is buying into pure hype. He is still nowhere near Milledge.

Pelfrey isn't even in the top 23. That list is a complete joke.

There are only 3 pitchers on that list and they are all better then pelfrey.

There are only 3 pitchers on that list and they are all better then pelfrey.

Again, based off what? The opinion that is coming out of your ass?

Again, based off what? The opinion that is coming out of your ass?
Based on stuff. All 3 of them have MUCH better command, control and secondary pitches then pelfrey does and bailey throws just as hard.

Based on stuff. All 3 of them have MUCH better command, control and secondary pitches then pelfrey does and bailey throws just as hard.


How do you know this?

How do you know this?
Because i've seen all 3 pitch many times, read scouting reports and follow minor league baseball.

Because i've seen all 3 pitch many times, read scouting reports and follow minor league baseball.

And all of this, plus 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee.

Look at the top 100 prospects of theminors 6 years ago. Half of them are now where to be found. A quarter of them are just banging around teh league. 10 of them are very very good players. The rest are decent players.

It is a coin flip still, at this stage. There are no givens.

If the top organizations and players were to work out to the plan, we might as well forgewt playing baseball in NY right now. The Dodgers and the Diamond backs will have such a lock on the league, no one else will have a chance.

No offense but no one on this board is a baseball expert that can definitely say any prospect is better than another-it is only your opinion

And all of this, plus 50 cents gets you a cup of coffee.

Look at the top 100 prospects of theminors 6 years ago. Half of them are now where to be found. A quarter of them are just banging around teh league. 10 of them are very very good players. The rest are decent players.

It is a coin flip still, at this stage. There are no givens.

If the top organizations and players were to work out to the plan, we might as well forgewt playing baseball in NY right now. The Dodgers and the Diamond backs will have such a lock on the league, no one else will have a chance.
The only way to judge prospects is against OTHER PROSPECTS.

The only way to judge prospects is against OTHER PROSPECTS.


In that case, Brien Taylor is the greatest prospect who ever lived. He outshined everyone when he was in the minors.

No offense but no one on this board is a baseball expert that can definitely say any prospect is better than another-it is only your opinion
When every scouting service agrees with you then there is a good chance it's more then your opinion...

When every scouting service agrees with you then there is a good chance it's more then your opinion...


So every single one of the thousands of scouts agreed with your opinions? Why aren't you a scout? Why are you spewing bullsh*it out of your ass on a Jets message board?

In that case, Brien Taylor is the greatest prospect who ever lived. He outshined everyone when he was in the minors.
Look at you wrong again. Taylor was NOWHERE NEAR as good in the minors as Hughes or Bailey have been not to mention that he never got past lowA while Hughes and Bailey have dominated every level up to AA. And are WIDELY considered the 1 and 2 pitching prospects in the game.

Look at you wrong again. Taylor was NOWHERE NEAR as good in the minors as Hughes or Bailey have been not to mention that he never got past lowA while Hughes and Bailey have dominated every level up to AA. And are WIDELY considered the 1 and 2 pitching prospects in the game.


Which means absolutely nothing until they produce at the Major League level.

This has gone on for 9 pages now. I'm done.

So every single one of the thousands of scouts agreed with your opinions? Why aren't you a scout? Why are you spewing bullsh*it out of your ass on a Jets message board?
Any moron knows Hughes and Bailey are the 2 best pitching prospects in baseball. Read any scouting service cause thats where i get my info not out of my a**.

Which means absolutely nothing until they produce at the Major League level.

This has gone on for 9 pages now. I'm done.
Thats all you can say over and over again becuase you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to any minor league player. It's not hard to get educated. there are a million sites you can read to know what you're talking about but you don't feel like doing that instead you're just repeating the same retardation over and over again.

When every scouting service agrees with you then there is a good chance it's more then your opinion...
Baseball America's 17th annual Top 100 Prospects list is based on each player's long-term major league value, a combination of his upside and his likelihood of reaching that ceiling. Consideration was given to each player's physical skills as well as his track record of performance. All players who haven't exceeded the rookie limits of 50 innings or 130 at-bats are eligible, regardless of their big league service time. Founding editor Allan Simpson, editors in chief Will Lingo and John Manuel, and executive editor Jim Callis compiled the top 100 after discussions with general managers, scouting directors, farm directors, scouts, managers and instructors. The quotes on each player were gathered by Baseball America staff and correspondents. Minor league managers are identified with their 2005 clubs.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/images/mlblogos/3ds_devilrays.jpg
1. DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays
"Delmon's going to be as good as Delmon wants to be. He can do whatever he puts his mind to do."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006


2. JUSTIN UPTON, ss, Diamondbacks
"If you stick him in center field right now, he could be an all-star in two years."
--anonymous scouting director
ETA: 2007

3. BRANDON WOOD, ss, Angels
"He's still going to get better. He looks like the next Cal Ripken to me."
--San Jose manager Lenn Sakata
ETA: 2007

4. JEREMY HERMIDA, of, Marlins
"Everything he does is so easy. He has a 70 arm and he has one of the sweetest swings from the left side I've ever seen."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

5. STEPHEN DREW, ss, Diamondbacks
"He's got power. He can hit for average. He's got instincts. He has all the defensive tools to play an outstanding shortstop. He is one of the most instinctual players for his age that I've ever seen."
--Diamondbacks scouting director Mike Rizzo
ETA: 2006

6. FRANCISCO LIRIANO, lhp, Twins
"He's filthy. We're talking three big league pitches, and everything looks easy."
--Indianapolis manager Trent Jewett
ETA: 2006

7. CHAD BILLINGSLEY, rhp, Dodgers
"There are times when his command is a little off, but his arm strength, demeanor on the mound, presence--everything is good. He has a chance to be a dominant starter in the big leagues."
--Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2006

8. JUSTIN VERLANDER, rhp, Tigers
"He's got the arm, the heart and the head to do some very, very great things for that organization."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006


9. LASTINGS MILLEDGE, of, Mets
"He's going to be an all-star caliber player. You hit home runs with a quick bat, which he's got, and down the road he could steal 35 to 40 bases."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

10. MATT CAIN, rhp, Giants
"The quality of his stuff has never been a question. The question was his command and ability to make adjustments. Well, he's doing those things now."
--Fresno manager Shane Turner
ETA: 2006

11. PRINCE FIELDER, 1b, Brewers
"He's the Prince of Power. He does that one thing that makes guys the most money."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

12. HOWIE KENDRICK, 2b, Angels
"I just love his bat. He gets the barrel into the zone very quickly and it stays there for a very long time."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

13. ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals
"Alex Gordon is obviously a guy we had targeted for a long time. We feel like he's going to be a cornerstone for this organization for many years to come."
--Royals scouting director Deric Ladnier
ETA: 2007

14. ANDY MARTE, 3b, Indians
"Andy profiles as a guy who has the ability to hit in the middle of the lineup of a championship major league team. He has all the ingredients to be a special hitter."
--Braves farm director Dayton Moore
ETA: 2006

15. RYAN ZIMMERMAN, 3b, Nationals
"You don't necessarily draft someone based on defense in our business--usually the bat's the No. 1 tool--but his defensive ability is so special that it really pushed him up. And the bat is also special"
--Nationals special assistant Bob Boone
ETA: 2006

16. IAN STEWART, 3b, Rockies
"He makes good adjustments at the plate and has good discipline. He reminds me of Larry Walker."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

17. CONOR JACKSON, 1b, Diamondbacks
"You get the feeling he's going to get a hit every time up. He must have Superman vision or something."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

18. JARROD SALTALAMACCHIA, c, Braves
"He's got a chance to be Jason Varitek to me. The size, the strength, the power are all there."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

19. ANDY LaROCHE, 3b, Dodgers
"When he comes to the plate, you can just tell that he is ready to have a good at-bat. When I say he can hit a fastball, some players aren't that gifted that they can hit a good fastball, but LaRoche can."
--Jacksonville manager John Shoemaker
ETA: 2007

20. CARLOS QUENTIN, of, Diamondbacks
"He sees the ball very well. He goes up looking for what he'll get, not what he wants. He knows when to go the other way and when to pull."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

21. NICK MARKAKIS, of, Orioles
"Moon shots. That's all I think of when I hear the name Markakis. We couldn't find a way to get him out."
--Salem manager Ivan DeJesus
ETA: 2006

22. JON LESTER, lhp, Red Sox
"The first time I saw him pitch, I called [GM] Theo Esptein and said, 'Whatever you do, don't trade Jon Lester.' "
--Red Sox scouting director Jason McLeod
ETA: 2007

23. CHRIS YOUNG, of, Diamondbacks
"This guy is getting it quick. Just from spring training till now, it's amazing the adjustments he's made."
--Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2007


24. BOBBY JENKS, rhp, White Sox
"I think he's got the mentality to be an outstanding closer. When you throw the ball 100 miles an hour and then command a wicked breaking ball, I don't think you need much more."
--Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2006


25. TROY TULOWITZKI, ss, Rockies
"He's better than Bobby Crosby. He could play in the big leagues right now. He can hit, hit for power and he's the whole package defensively with a plus-plus arm."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

26. JOEL GUZMAN, ss/3b, Dodgers
"I had scouted Chipper Jones and A-Rod before and to me, Guzman's bat was better. At 16 years old, the kid was as good as or better than anyone I'd ever seen."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007


27. FELIX PIE, of, Cubs
"He just creates excitement with his play--period. I see him as a guy who could potentially hit in the middle of a lineup and drive in runs, be a real exciting Carlos Beltran-type player."
--West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson
ETA: 2007


28. DARIC BARTON, 1b, Athletics
"You could find 10-year big league veterans who don't have an approach as good as he does."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

29. BILLY BUTLER, of, Royals
"He's Mike Sweeney Jr. He could be even better than Sweeney."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

30. HANLEY RAMIREZ, ss, Marlins
"He's got a chance to be pretty special. The ball comes off his bat in batting practice like a man."
--Red Sox manager Terry Francona
ETA: 2006


31. CAMERON MAYBIN, of, Tigers
"He's an offensive player, a very good defensive player, a plus runner. And the one thing that really struck me was Cameron's work ethic and desire."
--Tigers scouting director David Chadd
ETA: 2008

32. CARLOS GONZALES, of, Diamondbacks
"This guy looks like Carlos Beltran when Beltran is going good. He doesn't run as well but he's a better hitter. And he's got that great arm."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2008


33. JEFF CLEMENT, c, Mariners
"You always hear about how he's an offensive catcher. But I was really excited to see him catch."
--Mariners director of minor league operations Greg Hunter
ETA: 2007

34. SCOTT OLSEN, lhp, Marlins
"You could see he was oozing with talent. The way he attacked the zone, he stuck it to us. He's a live-arm lefty, works both sides of the plate and throws all his pitches for strikes."
--West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson
ETA: 2006


35. JOEL ZUMAYA, rhp, Tigers
"I've always had him in as a closer. The effort to his delivery has improved, but to me you bring him in for one inning, he throws 100 and you shake hands."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006


36. MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets
"He's one of the few guys in the aluminum-bat era who gets people out with his fastball. Ben Sheets is another guy who could do that."
--Former Mets scouting director Russ Bove
ETA: 2007


37. JONATHAN PAPELBON, rhp, Red Sox
"To go into a market like Boston and perform the way he has is indicative of his future."
--Portland manager Todd Claus
ETA: 2006


38. HOMER BAILEY, rhp, Reds
"He'll break off a hammer curve after a 97 mile an hour fastball and there's just nothing you can do about it. Unless your name is Ichiro, you're not going to hit that."
--Dayton outfielder B.J. Szymanski
ETA: 2008


39. PHILIP HUGHES, rhp, Yankees
"He throws hard and he throws strikes. That's why for me he's a Mark Prior Lite."
--Charleston manager Bill Mosiello
ETA: 2007

40. ANIBAL SANCHEZ, rhp, Marlins
"Outside of his stuff, which has certainly improved, he's also a cerebral kid who prepares himself well. He's got the pieces of the puzzle that make a pitcher successful."
--Red Sox vice president of player personnel Ben Cherington
ETA: 2006


41. ANTHONY REYES, rhp, Cardinals
"He's going to make you put the ball in play and give the defense a chance to make plays behind him. He is always ahead in the count and he is not going to beat himself."
--Round Rock manager Jackie Moore
ETA: 2006

42. RUSSELL MARTIN, c, Dodgers
"He's obviously one of the better hitters in the league, yet at the most premium position. He basically shut our running game down and said, 'If you're going to run, you're going to make outs.' "
--West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson
ETA: 2006


43. NEIL WALKER, c, Pirates
"When you consider what he has done at his age against competition that has been older, it's really remarkable. We're extremely pleased with the progress he has made in two years."
--Pirates farm director Brian Graham
ETA: 2007

44. MARK ROGERS, rhp, Brewers
"His last outing in instructional league, when he was throwing 96 mph at the knees with a hard curve for strikes and mixing in a changeup, you could see the light bulb going off."
--Brewers roving pitching instructor Jim Skaalen
ETA: 2008


45. ADAM LOEWEN, lhp, Orioles
"He'll go 3-0 on you and then the next thing you know it's boom-boom-boom, every pitch on the black. I've never seen anything like it."
--Kinston manager Luis Rivera
ETA: 2007

46. ERICK AYBAR, ss, Angels
"He's one of the most exciting players I've had to manage against, offensively and defensively. He loves to play and is just fun to watch."
--Tulsa manager Tom Runnells
ETA: 2007


47. ADAM MILLER, rhp, Indians
"He went through a process to getting back to where he was, both in terms of velocity and command, but he wasn't holding anything back late in the year. He's a rare combination of power, intelligence and an advanced feel for pitching for a 21-year-old."
--Indians farm director John Farrell
ETA: 2007


48. DUSTIN McGOWAN, rhp, Blue Jays
"For a power pitcher, he's got some kind of changeup. If he starts locating that fastball a little better, he's got everything."
--Blue Jays manager John Gibbons
ETA: 2006

49. RYAN BRAUN, 3b, Brewers
"He's got awesome bat speed but also has some things to work on. He's got all the talent to be a legitimate middle-of-the-order bat down the road."
--West Virginia hitting coach Johnny Narron
ETA: 2007


50. ANDREW McCUTCHEN, of, Pirates
"Andrew has the same outstanding speed and ability to cover a lot of ground in center field like Grissom. And like Marquis, he has good power. He also has great makeup and comes from a very good family background, like Marquis did."
--Pirates scouting director Ed Creech
ETA: 2008


51. BRIAN ANDERSON, of, White Sox
"He can do just about anything he wants to do on the field. You don't find too many guys with all the tools to play any position out there in the outfield."
--White Sox farm director David Wilder
ETA: 2006


52. JASON HIRSH, rhp, Astros
"He really made huge strides. He really pitched inside effectively and is able to locate his fastball anywhere he wants to. He really stepped up this year and took the bull by the horns."
--Astros farm director Ricky Bennett
ETA: 2007


53. JEREMY SOWERS, lhp, Indians
"He just commands all his pitches well and finds a way to get it done. Sometimes you don't know how he did it, but by that time you're walking back to the dugout shaking your head."
--Winston-Salem manager Chris Cron
ETA: 2006


54. CRAIG HANSEN, rhp, Red Sox
"You can see the kid has all the talent in the world. He's got a major league arm and major league stuff."
--Red Sox manager Terry Francona
ETA: 2006
55. SCOTT ELBERT, lhp, Dodgers
"He made quick bats look like palm trees through peanut butter."
--Greenville manager Chad Epperson
ETA: 2008


56. EDISON VOLQUEZ, rhp, Rangers
"He's got special arm speed, special arm strength, special talent and special makeup. He's got a great temperament for the game and a very special set of skills."
--Former Rangers farm director Dom Chiti
ETA: 2006

57. JERED WEAVER, rhp, Angels
"He's a polished pitcher with an innate feel for putting hitters away."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

58. JASON KUBEL, of, Twins
"You never know how a player is going to rebound mentally from injuries, but with Jason there's never been any doubt of where his desire is. It's to be back on the field."
--Twins farm director Jim Rantz
ETA: 2006


59. JOHN DANKS, lhp, Rangers
"He's always grouped with Thomas Diamond and Edison Volquez because they've played together all year. But people need to realize that he's playing with them and he's two years younger."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

Baseball America's 17th annual Top 100 Prospects list is based on each player's long-term major league value, a combination of his upside and his likelihood of reaching that ceiling. Consideration was given to each player's physical skills as well as his track record of performance. All players who haven't exceeded the rookie limits of 50 innings or 130 at-bats are eligible, regardless of their big league service time. Founding editor Allan Simpson, editors in chief Will Lingo and John Manuel, and executive editor Jim Callis compiled the top 100 after discussions with general managers, scouting directors, farm directors, scouts, managers and instructors. The quotes on each player were gathered by Baseball America staff and correspondents. Minor league managers are identified with their 2005 clubs.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/images/mlblogos/3ds_devilrays.jpg
1. DELMON YOUNG, of, Devil Rays
"Delmon's going to be as good as Delmon wants to be. He can do whatever he puts his mind to do."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006


2. JUSTIN UPTON, ss, Diamondbacks
"If you stick him in center field right now, he could be an all-star in two years."
--anonymous scouting director
ETA: 2007

3. BRANDON WOOD, ss, Angels
"He's still going to get better. He looks like the next Cal Ripken to me."
--San Jose manager Lenn Sakata
ETA: 2007

4. JEREMY HERMIDA, of, Marlins
"Everything he does is so easy. He has a 70 arm and he has one of the sweetest swings from the left side I've ever seen."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

5. STEPHEN DREW, ss, Diamondbacks
"He's got power. He can hit for average. He's got instincts. He has all the defensive tools to play an outstanding shortstop. He is one of the most instinctual players for his age that I've ever seen."
--Diamondbacks scouting director Mike Rizzo
ETA: 2006

6. FRANCISCO LIRIANO, lhp, Twins
"He's filthy. We're talking three big league pitches, and everything looks easy."
--Indianapolis manager Trent Jewett
ETA: 2006

7. CHAD BILLINGSLEY, rhp, Dodgers
"There are times when his command is a little off, but his arm strength, demeanor on the mound, presence--everything is good. He has a chance to be a dominant starter in the big leagues."
--Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2006

8. JUSTIN VERLANDER, rhp, Tigers
"He's got the arm, the heart and the head to do some very, very great things for that organization."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006


9. LASTINGS MILLEDGE, of, Mets
"He's going to be an all-star caliber player. You hit home runs with a quick bat, which he's got, and down the road he could steal 35 to 40 bases."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

10. MATT CAIN, rhp, Giants
"The quality of his stuff has never been a question. The question was his command and ability to make adjustments. Well, he's doing those things now."
--Fresno manager Shane Turner
ETA: 2006

11. PRINCE FIELDER, 1b, Brewers
"He's the Prince of Power. He does that one thing that makes guys the most money."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

12. HOWIE KENDRICK, 2b, Angels
"I just love his bat. He gets the barrel into the zone very quickly and it stays there for a very long time."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

13. ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals
"Alex Gordon is obviously a guy we had targeted for a long time. We feel like he's going to be a cornerstone for this organization for many years to come."
--Royals scouting director Deric Ladnier
ETA: 2007

14. ANDY MARTE, 3b, Indians
"Andy profiles as a guy who has the ability to hit in the middle of the lineup of a championship major league team. He has all the ingredients to be a special hitter."
--Braves farm director Dayton Moore
ETA: 2006

15. RYAN ZIMMERMAN, 3b, Nationals
"You don't necessarily draft someone based on defense in our business--usually the bat's the No. 1 tool--but his defensive ability is so special that it really pushed him up. And the bat is also special"
--Nationals special assistant Bob Boone
ETA: 2006

16. IAN STEWART, 3b, Rockies
"He makes good adjustments at the plate and has good discipline. He reminds me of Larry Walker."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

17. CONOR JACKSON, 1b, Diamondbacks
"You get the feeling he's going to get a hit every time up. He must have Superman vision or something."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

18. JARROD SALTALAMACCHIA, c, Braves
"He's got a chance to be Jason Varitek to me. The size, the strength, the power are all there."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

19. ANDY LaROCHE, 3b, Dodgers
"When he comes to the plate, you can just tell that he is ready to have a good at-bat. When I say he can hit a fastball, some players aren't that gifted that they can hit a good fastball, but LaRoche can."
--Jacksonville manager John Shoemaker
ETA: 2007

20. CARLOS QUENTIN, of, Diamondbacks
"He sees the ball very well. He goes up looking for what he'll get, not what he wants. He knows when to go the other way and when to pull."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

21. NICK MARKAKIS, of, Orioles
"Moon shots. That's all I think of when I hear the name Markakis. We couldn't find a way to get him out."
--Salem manager Ivan DeJesus
ETA: 2006

22. JON LESTER, lhp, Red Sox
"The first time I saw him pitch, I called [GM] Theo Esptein and said, 'Whatever you do, don't trade Jon Lester.' "
--Red Sox scouting director Jason McLeod
ETA: 2007

23. CHRIS YOUNG, of, Diamondbacks
"This guy is getting it quick. Just from spring training till now, it's amazing the adjustments he's made."
--Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2007


24. BOBBY JENKS, rhp, White Sox
"I think he's got the mentality to be an outstanding closer. When you throw the ball 100 miles an hour and then command a wicked breaking ball, I don't think you need much more."
--Birmingham manager Razor Shines
ETA: 2006


25. TROY TULOWITZKI, ss, Rockies
"He's better than Bobby Crosby. He could play in the big leagues right now. He can hit, hit for power and he's the whole package defensively with a plus-plus arm."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

26. JOEL GUZMAN, ss/3b, Dodgers
"I had scouted Chipper Jones and A-Rod before and to me, Guzman's bat was better. At 16 years old, the kid was as good as or better than anyone I'd ever seen."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007


27. FELIX PIE, of, Cubs
"He just creates excitement with his play--period. I see him as a guy who could potentially hit in the middle of a lineup and drive in runs, be a real exciting Carlos Beltran-type player."
--West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson
ETA: 2007


28. DARIC BARTON, 1b, Athletics
"You could find 10-year big league veterans who don't have an approach as good as he does."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

29. BILLY BUTLER, of, Royals
"He's Mike Sweeney Jr. He could be even better than Sweeney."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

30. HANLEY RAMIREZ, ss, Marlins
"He's got a chance to be pretty special. The ball comes off his bat in batting practice like a man."
--Red Sox manager Terry Francona
ETA: 2006


31. CAMERON MAYBIN, of, Tigers
"He's an offensive player, a very good defensive player, a plus runner. And the one thing that really struck me was Cameron's work ethic and desire."
--Tigers scouting director David Chadd
ETA: 2008

32. CARLOS GONZALES, of, Diamondbacks
"This guy looks like Carlos Beltran when Beltran is going good. He doesn't run as well but he's a better hitter. And he's got that great arm."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2008


33. JEFF CLEMENT, c, Mariners
"You always hear about how he's an offensive catcher. But I was really excited to see him catch."
--Mariners director of minor league operations Greg Hunter
ETA: 2007

34. SCOTT OLSEN, lhp, Marlins
"You could see he was oozing with talent. The way he attacked the zone, he stuck it to us. He's a live-arm lefty, works both sides of the plate and throws all his pitches for strikes."
--West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson
ETA: 2006


35. JOEL ZUMAYA, rhp, Tigers
"I've always had him in as a closer. The effort to his delivery has improved, but to me you bring him in for one inning, he throws 100 and you shake hands."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006


36. MIKE PELFREY, rhp, Mets
"He's one of the few guys in the aluminum-bat era who gets people out with his fastball. Ben Sheets is another guy who could do that."
--Former Mets scouting director Russ Bove
ETA: 2007


37. JONATHAN PAPELBON, rhp, Red Sox
"To go into a market like Boston and perform the way he has is indicative of his future."
--Portland manager Todd Claus
ETA: 2006


38. HOMER BAILEY, rhp, Reds
"He'll break off a hammer curve after a 97 mile an hour fastball and there's just nothing you can do about it. Unless your name is Ichiro, you're not going to hit that."
--Dayton outfielder B.J. Szymanski
ETA: 2008


39. PHILIP HUGHES, rhp, Yankees
"He throws hard and he throws strikes. That's why for me he's a Mark Prior Lite."
--Charleston manager Bill Mosiello
ETA: 2007

40. ANIBAL SANCHEZ, rhp, Marlins
"Outside of his stuff, which has certainly improved, he's also a cerebral kid who prepares himself well. He's got the pieces of the puzzle that make a pitcher successful."
--Red Sox vice president of player personnel Ben Cherington
ETA: 2006


41. ANTHONY REYES, rhp, Cardinals
"He's going to make you put the ball in play and give the defense a chance to make plays behind him. He is always ahead in the count and he is not going to beat himself."
--Round Rock manager Jackie Moore
ETA: 2006

42. RUSSELL MARTIN, c, Dodgers
"He's obviously one of the better hitters in the league, yet at the most premium position. He basically shut our running game down and said, 'If you're going to run, you're going to make outs.' "
--West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson
ETA: 2006


43. NEIL WALKER, c, Pirates
"When you consider what he has done at his age against competition that has been older, it's really remarkable. We're extremely pleased with the progress he has made in two years."
--Pirates farm director Brian Graham
ETA: 2007

44. MARK ROGERS, rhp, Brewers
"His last outing in instructional league, when he was throwing 96 mph at the knees with a hard curve for strikes and mixing in a changeup, you could see the light bulb going off."
--Brewers roving pitching instructor Jim Skaalen
ETA: 2008


45. ADAM LOEWEN, lhp, Orioles
"He'll go 3-0 on you and then the next thing you know it's boom-boom-boom, every pitch on the black. I've never seen anything like it."
--Kinston manager Luis Rivera
ETA: 2007

46. ERICK AYBAR, ss, Angels
"He's one of the most exciting players I've had to manage against, offensively and defensively. He loves to play and is just fun to watch."
--Tulsa manager Tom Runnells
ETA: 2007


47. ADAM MILLER, rhp, Indians
"He went through a process to getting back to where he was, both in terms of velocity and command, but he wasn't holding anything back late in the year. He's a rare combination of power, intelligence and an advanced feel for pitching for a 21-year-old."
--Indians farm director John Farrell
ETA: 2007


48. DUSTIN McGOWAN, rhp, Blue Jays
"For a power pitcher, he's got some kind of changeup. If he starts locating that fastball a little better, he's got everything."
--Blue Jays manager John Gibbons
ETA: 2006

49. RYAN BRAUN, 3b, Brewers
"He's got awesome bat speed but also has some things to work on. He's got all the talent to be a legitimate middle-of-the-order bat down the road."
--West Virginia hitting coach Johnny Narron
ETA: 2007


50. ANDREW McCUTCHEN, of, Pirates
"Andrew has the same outstanding speed and ability to cover a lot of ground in center field like Grissom. And like Marquis, he has good power. He also has great makeup and comes from a very good family background, like Marquis did."
--Pirates scouting director Ed Creech
ETA: 2008


51. BRIAN ANDERSON, of, White Sox
"He can do just about anything he wants to do on the field. You don't find too many guys with all the tools to play any position out there in the outfield."
--White Sox farm director David Wilder
ETA: 2006


52. JASON HIRSH, rhp, Astros
"He really made huge strides. He really pitched inside effectively and is able to locate his fastball anywhere he wants to. He really stepped up this year and took the bull by the horns."
--Astros farm director Ricky Bennett
ETA: 2007


53. JEREMY SOWERS, lhp, Indians
"He just commands all his pitches well and finds a way to get it done. Sometimes you don't know how he did it, but by that time you're walking back to the dugout shaking your head."
--Winston-Salem manager Chris Cron
ETA: 2006


54. CRAIG HANSEN, rhp, Red Sox
"You can see the kid has all the talent in the world. He's got a major league arm and major league stuff."
--Red Sox manager Terry Francona
ETA: 2006
55. SCOTT ELBERT, lhp, Dodgers
"He made quick bats look like palm trees through peanut butter."
--Greenville manager Chad Epperson
ETA: 2008


56. EDISON VOLQUEZ, rhp, Rangers
"He's got special arm speed, special arm strength, special talent and special makeup. He's got a great temperament for the game and a very special set of skills."
--Former Rangers farm director Dom Chiti
ETA: 2006

57. JERED WEAVER, rhp, Angels
"He's a polished pitcher with an innate feel for putting hitters away."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2006

58. JASON KUBEL, of, Twins
"You never know how a player is going to rebound mentally from injuries, but with Jason there's never been any doubt of where his desire is. It's to be back on the field."
--Twins farm director Jim Rantz
ETA: 2006


59. JOHN DANKS, lhp, Rangers
"He's always grouped with Thomas Diamond and Edison Volquez because they've played together all year. But people need to realize that he's playing with them and he's two years younger."
--anonymous scout
ETA: 2007

Looks like Baseball America did not agree with the ranking of Hughes and Pelfrey

LOL that list is 4 months old before Hughes had moved past LOWA. Get anything that dosn't have dust on it and hughes is the first pitcher listed.

LOL that list is 4 months old before Hughes had moved past LOWA. Get anything that dosn't have dust on it and hughes is the first pitcher listed.
the point I am making is no one including me or you can tell that a prospect will be a success in the majors - only our opinion take it for what it is worth
I admit to not being right 100 per cent of the time - can you?

the point I am making is no one including me or you can tell that a prospect will be a success in the majors - only our opinion take it for what it is worth
I admit to not being right 100 per cent of the time - can you?
prospects in baseball and hockey are near impossible to gauge,,
basketball and football , much much easier

the point I am making is no one including me or you can tell that a prospect will be a success in the majors - only our opinion take it for what it is worth
I admit to not being right 100 per cent of the time - can you?
Let me tell you about Hughes and Pelfrey.
Pelfrey was a first round pick out of college. Got a 5 million dollar bonus and is 23. He was 3 spots ahead of Hughes in the BA top 100 at the start of the season BEFORE hughes, who was also a first rounder but out of HS and 2 years younger had ever pitched above lowA ball. Since the season has started hughes (who remember is 2 year younger.) dominated highA got promoted, dominated AA. Thats why he's considered the best pitching prospect in basebal RIGHT NOW.

Let me tell you about Hughes and Pelfrey.
Pelfrey was a first round pick out of college. Got a 5 million dollar bonus and is 23. He was 3 spots ahead of Hughes in the BA top 100 at the start of the season BEFORE hughes, who was also a first rounder but out of HS and 2 years younger had ever pitched above lowA ball. Since the season has started hughes (who remember is 2 year younger.) dominated highA got promoted, dominated AA. Thats why he's considered the best pitching prospect in basebal RIGHT NOW.

Thanks for your opinion
Frank

JF80 dissed the Yankees minor league system, so he got owned by madmike. JF80 doesnt even know a thing about the Yankees farm system and he was claiming they couldnt make a big deal with their prospects.
He was the one talking out of his a**, not madmike.

JF80 dissed the Yankees minor league system, so he got owned by madmike. JF80 doesnt even know a thing about the Yankees farm system and he was claiming they couldnt make a big deal with their prospects.
He was the one talking out of his a**, not madmike.
they can settle it on the softball field at the JN/JI/TGG BBQ

JF80 dissed the Yankees minor league system, so he got owned by madmike. JF80 doesnt even know a thing about the Yankees farm system and he was claiming they couldnt make a big deal with their prospects.
He was the one talking out of his a**, not madmike.
And madmike knows not a damn thing about the Mets farm system, nor the value of Pelfrey.