View Full Version : A decade later, Rivera still dominates; 'Best ever,' Eckersley says


NIGHT STALKER
07-18-2006, 08:50 AM
Jul 17, 2006

NEW YORK (AP) -After Mariano Rivera got routed in his major league debut, manager Buck Showalter offered an observation.

"Hopefully, Mariano will learn from it," Showalter said.

More than a decade later, yep, he's done OK. World Series MVP, four championship rings and now 400 saves. Pretty good for a guy who throws only one pitch.

"The best ever, no doubt it," Dennis Eckersley said Monday.

High praise from the lone reliever to make it into the Hall of Fame on his first try. See any similarities, Eck?

"No comparison!" he said. "I didn't have the stuff he did. Not at all. I've been blowing his horn for years. He's electric."

Put it this way: Put the New York Yankees' ace closer on the Atlanta Braves from the start of his career, and they're probably a dynasty rather than a postseason disappointment.

Instead, Chipper Jones was reduced to chuckling in the dugout as he watched Rivera's cut fastball break three of Ryan Klesko's bats while finishing off a 1999 Series sweep against Atlanta.

"He has the single best pitch ever in the game," Chicago White Sox slugger Jim Thome said. "A lot of guys, you can make some adjustments. But not with that cutter."

Said Eckersley: "I mean, those left-handed hitters know what's coming and he still eats them up. How does he do that?"

And while Metallica's "Enter Sandman" is Rivera's signature song, he has another trademark sound at Yankee Stadium: the cracking of Louisville Sluggers.

Be it the Mariners in May or the Mets in October, Rivera sees each opponent as an opportunity.

"Every time I go out there, it's business," Rivera said.

The 36-year-old Rivera has done it enough since becoming a full-time reliever in 1996 that his place at the Hall of Fame is set.

Bruce Sutter is being enshrined this month after getting elected on his 13th attempt. Like many other successful relievers, Sutter had to wait while Hall voters struggled to determine who belonged.

Lee Smith, who holds the career saves record with 478, has barely gotten 40 percent in his three elections. There's no guarantee that Trevor Hoffman would breeze in if he sets the mark.

Rivera, though, is the very definition of a Cooperstown closer.

"You don't even have to look up his numbers," said Hall voter Paul Hoynes of The Plain Dealer in Cleveland. "You don't need to go to 'The Baseball Encyclopedia.' We've all seen what he's done.

"You know it when you see it. This guy is a first-ballot Hall of Famer," he said.

Of course, Rivera is not automatic. While he's posted a record 34 saves in the postseason, he's blown three memorable chances.

The Boston Red Sox got him in Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS. Arizona's Luis Gonzalez nicked him in the ninth inning of Game 7 in the 2001 World Series. And Sandy Alomar Jr. tagged him in the 1997 playoffs.

That said, Yankees fans still love him. It's a no-brainer, in fact. Wouldn't trade him for anyone. Think anybody felt that way about Armando Benitez or Byung-Hyun Kim?

Then again, it wasn't easy for Rivera at the beginning.

Rivera made his big league debut in May 1995 as a spot starter for injured Jimmy Key and, after striking out his first two hitters, got hit hard. The California Angels tagged him for five runs in 3 1-3 innings of a 10-0 loss.

Rivera bounced around the rotation the rest of the year, and Showalter opined that minor league stats don't necessarily translate into major league success. Yet following an impressive outing, Rivera showed that he believed in himself.

"There is no doubt in my mind," he said. "I know I can pitch here."

AirForceJetFan
07-18-2006, 08:55 AM
I've been saying it for a long time...what that guy does witn just one pitch is what makes it so unreal. These are major league hitters and they know exactly what pitch is coming 90% of the time, and they know it's going to be mid 90's, they know it's going to be inside...and they cant do anything with it. For Eck to say he's the best of all time...well it just doesn't get much better than that.

Sperm Edwards
07-18-2006, 08:55 AM
Dennis Eckersley: "I've been blowing his horn for years."

Yecch.

Max
07-18-2006, 09:48 AM
Eck was good. He was automatic for those years as a closer. But he cheated! lol, his ball moved like he was cheating anyhow.

AirForceJetFan
07-18-2006, 09:49 AM
I'll never forget that season Eck had where he walked 4 batters. Unreal. Four friggin walks all year.

The following season however, he proved it was just a fluke when his walk total more than doubled to nine.

Max
07-18-2006, 09:51 AM
I'll never forget that season Eck had where he walked 4 batters. Unreal. Four friggin walks all year.

I remember the Yankees getting to him one time at the Stadium. Think it was an afternoon game. They scored 3 runs off of him to win the game I think. It was like watching Buster Douglas beating Tyson. You just didn't think it was possible.

AirForceJetFan
07-18-2006, 09:53 AM
I remember the Yankees getting to him one time at the Stadium. Think it was an afternoon game. They scored 3 runs off of him to win the game I think. It was like watching Buster Douglas beating Tyson. You just didn't think it was possible.

Ken Phelps hit the game winner against Eck that day...I remember it because it was so rare that anybody beat Eck.

Blackout™
07-18-2006, 10:04 AM
"if i had to choose anybody to pitch the 8th and 9th innings, it'd be Mo"--Bruce Sutter

Max
07-18-2006, 10:24 AM
Ken Phelps hit the game winner against Eck that day...I remember it because it was so rare that anybody beat Eck.

Even more rare for Phelps to produce for the Yankees!

JonEJet
07-18-2006, 10:25 AM
Who did we trade for Phelps?

Dennis Rassmussen

Max
07-18-2006, 10:30 AM
Who did we trade for Phelps?

Dennis Rassmussen

JAY BUHNER. LOL, man I love when they would scream that on Seinfeld.

AirForceJetFan
07-18-2006, 10:31 AM
Who did we trade for Phelps?

Dennis Rassmussen

Please tell me you're joking about one of the worst trades in Yankee history...Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps...yeah, I'm going to assume that was a joke.

Sperm Edwards
07-18-2006, 11:04 AM
Frank: What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?! He had 30 home runs and over 100 RBIs last year. He's got a rocket for an arm...you don't know what the hell you're doin'!

Steinbrenner: Well, Buhner was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps' bat. They kept saying "Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps."