Your team has just let up 12+ runs in 3 straight games for the first time in franchise history.

How do you feel?

Oh and BTW:

4 1/2 behind.

:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Your team has just let up 12+ runs in 3 straight games for the first time in franchise history.

How do you feel?

Oh and BTW:

4 1/2 behind.

:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

That was ugly! The Sox looked like a beaten down team today. They have simply not shown up in this series.

The failure of Beckett to be the ace of the staff this year compounds the starting pitching problem for Boston.

Beckett need to calm the heck down.

However, the failure of this team rests on the shoulders of the front office. They "plan" for the future....or so they say (meanwhile a Fenway Condo Complex is in the works). Screw that! The future is NOW! Fans want to win NOW! Yeesh! There has been zero continuity on this team since the WS team. Zero. The turnover has been immense. So Epstein/Henry/Lucchino want to get "younger" - and then what? Continue to shove the "don't want to mortgage the future" mantra down RSN's throat? Please! They have plenty of money. Maybe not Yankees and Mets money - but close enough. Buy me a championship, darn it!

Beckett need to calm the heck down.

However, the failure of this team rests on the shoulders of the front office. They "plan" for the future....or so they say (meanwhile a Fenway Condo Complex is in the works). Screw that! The future is NOW! Fans want to win NOW! Yeesh! There has been zero continuity on this team since the WS team. Zero. The turnover has been immense. So Epstein/Henry/Lucchino want to get "younger" - and then what? Continue to shove the "don't want to mortgage the future" mantra down RSN's throat? Please! They have plenty of money. Maybe not Yankees and Mets money - but close enough. Buy me a championship, darn it!

Time to forget about the Sox. The Pats are on in 2 hours!

Wow, if you really want to know how bad they have been beated look at the runners LOB for the yankees and consider how many runs they might have scored. If Schilling doesn't win his game, its going to be a sweep, David Wells sucks.

This is how a $200 million team should dominate every day.

This is how a $200 million team should dominate every day.

I don't even care about the payroll at this point. The Yankees are playing very well in this series. Will they win the WS? Doubt it.

This is how a $200 million team should dominate every day.

Like a broken freaken record, here we go with the money thing again. Yanks play within the rules. It's only the sour grapes fans from other teams that complain.

Again, do you think owners from other teams give two ****s what the Yankees spend? Think again! Yanks bring a show to the opposing teams ballparks where those owners get to see their sold out stadiums bring them money they wouldn't get on an average night.

This is how a $200 million team should dominate every day.

Yes, and it's a real struggle for the Red Sox trying to scrounge up the cash to pay that lazy ***** Manny Ramirez 20 million a year. Those poor poor souls.

Once again the guys who drive the Mercedes whine about the guy with the Bentley.

All I'm saying is that you should expect your team to play this way when they're spending between 2-5 times what whoever they're playing is. Anyway, you should be used to comments like that by now instead of getting all prissy and sensitive about it.

You guys are around too many clean faces over there. Your team started to subconsiously feel as and see themselves as women. All they needed was to see a little facial hair. Giambi's maustache has been the catalyst in this series. It will be the MVP if they continue to dominate like this.

And it would be more like driving a bicycle for me.

Giambi's maustache has been the catalyst in this series. It will be the MVP if they continue to dominate like this.

Hot damn,that just made my night.

POTW NOM for the arcade master.

Yes, and it's a real struggle for the Red Sox trying to scrounge up the cash to pay that lazy ***** Manny Ramirez 20 million a year. Those poor poor souls.

Jackass you reall should read the rsn posts here. Those words might give youa clue of how we feel. We all realize we are one of the haves. It is Skank fan and their blind homerism that cannot comprehend this.

This is how a $200 million team should dominate every day.

I was waiting for that excuse to get dusted off.

I was waiting for that excuse to get dusted off.

It is not an excuse. It is reality.

Let me qualify that, the only thing keeping the Sox, a very good defensive team, with hot and cold hitting and crappy pitching, a division leader for the better part of the year and a WC contender is money.

The Yankees also benefit from it and it would be a lie to say otherwise.

It is not an excuse. It is reality.

Let me qualify that, the only thing keeping the Sox, a very good defensive team, with hot and cold hitting and crappy pitching, a division leader for the better part of the year and a WC contender is money.

The Yankees also benefit from it and it would be a lie to say otherwise.

Look, the Yankees hired gun outdueled the Red Sox hired gun. Not really pitched a gem by any means, but got the job done. The biggest factor here is the injury to Varitek. But I'm not going to feel sorry having Sheff and Matsui out.

Look, the Yankees hired gun outdueled the Red Sox hired gun. Not really pitched a gem by any means, but got the job done. The biggest factor here is the injury to Varitek. But I'm not going to feel sorry having Sheff and Matsui out.

You are right.

Nor would I expect you. A few Yankee fans are realistic about the benefits spending 200 million on a team. Many have bemoaned the fact that sheff, Matsui and any other Yankee with a hyper extended butt cheek are down and the Yanks *weep* have managed to overcome great odds.

That is all I have said all along.

The Red Sox COULD spend more money if they wanted to. They spend a lot, but they could spend more. However, they CHOOSE not to. They are inclined to put that money to other use. Such as: closing Yawkey Way on game days and making it a free-to-roam outdoor party where price gouging reigns supreme. Or, yes, build your own restaurant/bar called Game On! Wait - here's another, build more seats-monster seats, roof deck seats, etc and charge big bucks for said seats. Oh, and there is more! How 'bout those lovely Condo's in the works - only $800K! Yup, shops too. Doubt Target and Walmart will be asked to lease though. More like Armani and Nike. And, let's not forget their flagship station NESN!

So, riddle me this: this money goes to what exactly if not to compete with the Yankees? My guess? Henry and Lucchino's pocket. It's a busines afterall.

Jackass you reall should read the rsn posts here. Those words might give youa clue of how we feel. We all realize we are one of the haves. It is Skank fan and their blind homerism that cannot comprehend this.

Oh I'm a jackass for telling Sharrow that the Sox aren't exactly the Royals? I'm sorry didn't know you were so sensitive pmsikh, I realize we have money but people have been bitching and moaning about that for years, you'd think they'd be done by now. It's really just an old and tired argument.

Once again the guys who drive the Mercedes whine about the guy with the Bentley.


The wheels have been falling off your Bentley far too often for the past couple of years.


Hehehe. I win again!!!


Next analogy please!

The wheels have been falling off your Bentley far too often for the past couple of years.


Hehehe. I win again!!!


Next analogy please!

How many runs has that "deep pitching" staff given up in the last three games ?

Oh yeah I forgot you don't care about the Red Sox anymore.

Do you have any more great predictions ?

JBF...are you going to go back into hibernation once your pathetic bunch of losers miss out on the playoffs and only to re-emerge once the Yankees (who will actually be there) lose their first game in the ALDS?

JBF...are you going to go back into hibernation once your pathetic bunch of losers miss out on the playoffs and only to re-emerge once the Yankees (who will actually be there) lose their first game in the ALDS?


No offense to JBF but he is the kind of fan that likes to brag and boast when his team is winning and then backtrack and make excuses when his team is losing.

All fan bases have these types of fans and they typically annoy the more sane fans.

I’m stuck with JBF as I’m a Sox fan. You are stuck with him because he is a Jets fan.

It is a lose-lose situation for all fan bases!

JBF: Not a personal dig at you mate. I’m sure you are a nice bloke.

No offense to JBF but he is the kind of fan that likes to brag and boast when his team is winning and then backtrack and make excuses when his team is losing.

All fan bases have these types of fans and they typically annoy the more sane fans.

I’m stuck with JBF as I’m a Sox fan. You are stuck with him because he is a Jets fan.

It is a lose-lose situation for all fan bases!

JBF: Not a personal dig at you mate. I’m sure you are a nice bloke.

No he is an all around jack@ss.

I wonder how he feels knowing that he is 0-3 against JonE and GJH ?

Theo and Henry were partying on Henry's $40 million yacht, talking about how they couldn't afford the extra $5 mil for A-Rod, $5 mil for Damon, and how they wish they could have ponied up the $20+ million to snag Abreu.

No he is an all around jack@ss.

I wonder how he feels knowing that he is 0-3 against JonE and GJH ?


He feels like he does every other day of his miserable existance...a LOSER

This is how a $200 million team should dominate every day.

Spoken liken a true jealous fan of a penny-pinching team.:baby:

Once again the guys who drive the Mercedes whine about the guy with the Bentley.

or something like that.;)

Spoken liken a true jealous fan of a penny-pinching team.:baby:
Jealous of the winning? Yes. Jealous of the $213 million payroll? No.

Jealous of the winning? Yes. Jealous of the $213 million payroll? No.
If the Owner can not, or will not, compete, get out of the Game. There is always someone else who may be a more fan-friendly owner.

If the Owner can not, or will not, compete, get out of the Game. There is always someone else who may be a more fan-friendly owner.
I'd agree with that. There's no reason why any team should be spending only around half of the league average. Hell, the pirates are probably going to try to get rid of Jack Wilson this offseason to cut payroll. And they've already said they weren't going to be active in the FA market this year, after they got burnt with Burnitz and both Casey and Randa spent time on the DL. Maybe they should target better/younger players instead? Too bad the only way any of them come here is if we overpay them, which is never going to happen. But that worked for Detroit, and it worked pretty good.

One out away from a 6.5 game lead for the Yankees. Five game sweep... I LOVE THIS. Boston fans are insufferable.

One out away from a 6.5 game lead for the Yankees. Five game sweep... I LOVE THIS. Boston fans are insufferable.

Done Deal!!

Thhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees Win!!!:yahoo:

If the Owner can not, or will not, compete, get out of the Game. There is always someone else who may be a more fan-friendly owner.

Ok, mbn let's have a sanity check on that.

The Red Sox at 120 mill, LAA at 103mil and White Sox at 102mil are the only AL teams within 120 million of the Yankees and they are still a good 80 million by best estimate behind. More likely then not with the Yankee additions, they are site further behind. We will not even get into how much the Yanks (and Sox) can hide in their TV networks. The bottomline is the Yankees still have the most to spend,.

This "if the owner cannot or willnot" drivel is stupid. If tomorrow, you inherited a billion dollars, would you invest 80-100 million a year for your team to be competitive for one season? And that is just in the event you were able to afford the 500-800 milion dollars to buy one of the big teams like the Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, etc. What happens if you can only get your hands on a Minnesota team were 60mil payroll is your limit? Then you are dropping 140mil to be competitive after probably sinking 200-300mil to be an owner. These people are not stupid.

MLB and Bud can get down on their hands and knees with mouths open and go through the Forbes richest list and ask them, "Are you wiling to spend 100-800 million on a team and then another 80-150 million a year above your gross revenue to be competitive with the Yankees?" How many do you think will say yes? None.

The game's economic system is flawed. Do not not dump that onus on sane owners to do insane things.

By this logic thes Boston Pulkes have......the Saxw with their 120 Million $$$$$$$ payroll should at least WALK away with the wildcard

It's not always about the money.....it's about the commitment by the ownership to deliver when the pressure is on....step up to the plate and DELIVER Andruw Jones


At least this year, Sawx ownership ****t the bed

Ok, mbn let's have a sanity check on that.

The Red Sox at 120 mill, LAA at 103mil and White Sox at 102mil are the only AL teams within 120 million of the Yankees and they are still a good 80 million by best estimate behind. More likely then not with the Yankee additions, they are site further behind. We will not even get into how much the Yanks (and Sox) can hide in their TV networks. The bottomline is the Yankees still have the most to spend,.

This "if the owner cannot or willnot" drivel is stupid. If tomorrow, you inherited a billion dollars, would you invest 80-100 million a year for your team to be competitive for one season? And that is just in the event you were able to afford the 500-800 milion dollars to buy one of the big teams like the Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, etc. What happens if you can only get your hands on a Minnesota team were 60mil payroll is your limit? Then you are dropping 140mil to be competitive after probably sinking 200-300mil to be an owner. These people are not stupid.

MLB and Bud can get down on their hands and knees with mouths open and go through the Forbes richest list and ask them, "Are you wiling to spend 100-800 million on a team and then another 80-150 million a year above your gross revenue to be competitive with the Yankees?" How many do you think will say yes? None.

The game's economic system is flawed. Do not not dump that onus on sane owners to do insane things.

Hang on a second here. There is one major point you are missing. And, coming from a fan of a team that actually does spend money, I am quite surprised.

Why does anyone buy a team in Professional sports? I know all about the ego gratification, but the real reason is that they want to win, whatever the sport. So, they want to win, but won't do whatever it takes to be competative enough to win. Strange. In their real life world, these very same owners are ruthless in business, willing to do whatever they need to to gain an edge, and grow their business. But when they buy a sports franchise, they get all shy, scared, and dumb. They forget all the business acumen that made them successful in the first palce.

Sorry, I do not buy your argument. You buy a team, you know the rules. Abide by them, or get out of the game.

Ok, mbn let's have a sanity check on that.

The Red Sox at 120 mill, LAA at 103mil and White Sox at 102mil are the only AL teams within 120 million of the Yankees and they are still a good 80 million by best estimate behind. More likely then not with the Yankee additions, they are site further behind. We will not even get into how much the Yanks (and Sox) can hide in their TV networks. The bottomline is the Yankees still have the most to spend,.

This "if the owner cannot or willnot" drivel is stupid. If tomorrow, you inherited a billion dollars, would you invest 80-100 million a year for your team to be competitive for one season? And that is just in the event you were able to afford the 500-800 milion dollars to buy one of the big teams like the Sox, Dodgers, Cubs, etc. What happens if you can only get your hands on a Minnesota team were 60mil payroll is your limit? Then you are dropping 140mil to be competitive after probably sinking 200-300mil to be an owner. These people are not stupid.

MLB and Bud can get down on their hands and knees with mouths open and go through the Forbes richest list and ask them, "Are you wiling to spend 100-800 million on a team and then another 80-150 million a year above your gross revenue to be competitive with the Yankees?" How many do you think will say yes? None.

The game's economic system is flawed. Do not not dump that onus on sane owners to do insane things.


Here is where your theory is flawed.

You are looking at it from Red Sox perspective and Red Sox perspective/obsession is the being competitive with the Yankees.

There is no one that can compete with Yankees money wise. I think it was Seymour who said the problem is the Yankees window of opportunity never closes. BINGO !!!! That is is right there in a nutshell.

Three, four years ago the Tigers were the joke of MLB. Illich wasn't spending dime one on them, using the money instead on the Red Wings. Now look at where they are right now. They nurtured some young talent and sprinkled that young talent with some FA, brought in a manager with clue (Sorry all you Alan Trammell and Buddy Bell fans) and now they have the best record in MLB.

That is what fans of the Pirates, Brewers, Royals, or D-Rays yearn for. They don't want to be the Yankees. They look at what has happened the last couple of years with the Tigers, Oakland, Minnesota and even to some extent the Marlins and want that for their teams. A team that at least makes a commitment to building a team that can compete for the playoffs and make a run at the World Series.

Shawn and MBN good arguments.

MBN That is disengenious.

They own teams because it is a toy. The nostalgic days of citizen owners like the Yawkeys is long gone. All sports, even hockey, is a business first and foremost. Lets not pretend otherwise.

Ewing Kaufman wanted to win, but when he owned the Royals, he did not mind sending his money on his team because the difference between the haves and have nots was not as great. In 1990, they actually led the league in payroll and the difference between their total payroll and the White Sox was only 14 million. I am sure a billionaire could give two craps about 14 million back then. However, now is something totally different. It will take more then 14 million to close the gap.

Winning for these guys is making a profit. Anything the Twins or A's accomplish on the field is just gravy. Unless, you own the Yankees, you know it will take close to 80 milion, if you own the Red Sox, to compete with the Yankees.

Again I ask, and answer honestly, if you were owner of the Braves, a decent TV contract, decent crowds, except for playoffs, and a billionaire, would you drop money to be competitive with the Yankees? I am not talking picking up 7 million on a 10 million contract. I mean dropping a tenth of your value to be comeptitive and on par for the Yankees...for one season. No gurantee of a championship or a chance to recoup money spent. Would you do it?

Yankee fans have an easy time of spending other owners money, but have yet to say what they would do if it was them even in pretend. If you would do what I proposed above, you can cut me a check for a tenth of your assets.

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I agree.

Theo summarized the Sox/Yankee dynamic perfectly. He said, "The Yankees are going to win a 100 games and spend 200 million. The Sox do not comepte with the Yankees." I am sure the Sox would rather spend 80 million, but to be competitive, they need to maximize profits and push their payroll to 120+.

The Yankees are the straw that stirs the drink.

A residual effect is the Sox spending and trying to compete with the Yankees has seen the White Sox and Angels break the 100 million mark. They both could try to do it the A's and Twins way, but it is easier (sort of) to spend the money.

Like I said, I agree with your point. My only point is that owners need to spend their money to comnepte with the Yankees. They are going to do it like you said. Try to build within their own profitable means.

I'd just like to point out that 3 big portions of that 200+mill haven't seen much of the field this year. Pavano, Sheffield, and Matsui have all been out most if not all of the year. Scream all you want about salary, we've been winning with Melky in Left, and Crosby in Right(before Abreu of course).

If it pisses you off that the Yankees are run like a team that wants to win every year, tough. Deal with it. Boston Sucks, always has, and always will, so whats the F'n difference.

Fair response. But the point is that the Bostons, White Sox, etc., do spend a fair amount, and are competative. This draws fans, and opens other revenue streams. But then you have the Billionaires in KC and other spots who do not even try. They just refuse to attempt to field a decent team.

Those guys need to get out. They are in Pittsburgh, KC, Florida, and a few other spots.

I'd just like to point out that 3 big portions of that 200+mill haven't seen much of the field this year. Pavano, Sheffield, and Matsui have all been out most if not all of the year. Scream all you want about salary, we've been winning with Melky in Left, and Crosby in Right(before Abreu of course).

If it pisses you off that the Yankees are run like a team that wants to win every year, tough. Deal with it. Boston Sucks, always has, and always will, so whats the F'n difference.

Somebody hangs out in Section 39. :)

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Somebody hangs out in Section 39. :)
Yes, I used to be a semi-creature. I wouldn't consider myself a full fledge creature because I wasn't part of the "core" group. But I sat right there 2 rows in front of Sheriff Tom from 1995 to 2000. Would any of them be able to pick me out of a line up, 6 years removed probably not. Those seats are the by far the best. Twins shishkabob runs, buying beer in the bathroom speak easy after section went non-alcholic, etc. Loved paying the $6 for GA, then had to get seasons. Me and my buddies had to switch seats with people who had our old seats because we ended up at the wrong end of the row. Basically at every game, we'd see a group of three in our old seats. We'd explain to them that it would be in their best interest to take our seats at the end of the row. Normally they would switch but for those who didn't, they would quickly understand why and oblige us on the transaction later on. But then I got married, moved to PA and had to give them up. Thank God for YES in HD.

5 game sweep...

JetBoSox won't be here for months.

:yahoo:

I'd just like to point out that 3 big portions of that 200+mill haven't seen much of the field this year. Pavano, Sheffield, and Matsui have all been out most if not all of the year. Scream all you want about salary, we've been winning with Melky in Left, and Crosby in Right(before Abreu of course).

If it pisses you off that the Yankees are run like a team that wants to win every year, tough. Deal with it. Boston Sucks, always has, and always will, so whats the F'n difference.

Sheffield 13 million
Matsui 13 million
Pavano 8 million

Even with out that, the Yanks salary is still almost 180 million. Or, more than 50 million more than anybody else in the league. Nice try, though.

Yes, I used to be a semi-creature. I wouldn't consider myself a full fledge creature because I wasn't part of the "core" group. But I sat right there 2 rows in front of Sheriff Tom from 1995 to 2000. Would any of them be able to pick me out of a line up, 6 years removed probably not. Those seats are the by far the best. Twins shishkabob runs, buying beer in the bathroom speak easy after section went non-alcholic, etc. Loved paying the $6 for GA, then had to get seasons. Me and my buddies had to switch seats with people who had our old seats because we ended up at the wrong end of the row. Basically at every game, we'd see a group of three in our old seats. We'd explain to them that it would be in their best interest to take our seats at the end of the row. Normally they would switch but for those who didn't, they would quickly understand why and oblige us on the transaction later on. But then I got married, moved to PA and had to give them up. Thank God for YES in HD.

I sat out there from 86-96. My best friend is the guy the who used to sing "Syphillis" after "Take me out to the Bleachers". :)

I wasn't a core guy either. Back then you had your usual core (Chico, Ali, Tina,Captain Bob, etc) Then our group. (Syphillis Joe, Black Ike, Howard the anti-comic).

Those days were great. Alot of times I would just go straight from school (Went to Kean College) by myself, knowing that someone from the group was there.

I'll date myself here a bit. The first couple of years the bleachers used to cost $3.00. We would chant at the box seaters.

We pay three, you pay 10
We have fun you have none.

Great times indeed.

Yes the Syphillis song, I actually still sing those lyrics if I hear Yesterday on the radio. You're friend is very talented, I enjoyed his work. I worked downtown Manhattan, and would just catch the 4 train straight up. Those days were awesome. Now I'm old.
So, I'll root, root, root for the Yankees
If they don't win its a fix, suck my ****
Cause its 8, 9, 10 beers you're done at the Yankee game.

Over the years, I must have seen you guys a bunch. I normally get seats in the RF main box (section 323 - 339). Right near Gate 6, easy to exit.

A bit more expensive these days. They go for about $52. I recall paying $7.00 for those seats way long ago.

RF overhang is the place to be for $5.

Sheffield 13 million
Matsui 13 million
Pavano 8 million

Even with out that, the Yanks salary is still almost 180 million. Or, more than 50 million more than anybody else in the league. Nice try, though.


Yankees payroll was 198 - pre Abreu

13+13+8 = 34. Thats a 164 mill team. Just FYI, I could care less what the Yankees payroll is, but I'd like to see it lower next season - and it will be lower, because Sheffield is a goner.

The 2004 Red Sox had the highest payroll of any WS winners, ever.

The 2004 Red Sox had the highest payroll of any WS winners, ever.

That's because the Yankees haven't won since 2000 :p

That's because the Yankees haven't won since 2000 :p

Well hopefully this year, the Yanks can regain that title.;)

Well hopefully this year, the Yanks can regain that title.;)

I you look at my posts before and during the series you will see that I said the Sox rolled over. No doubt about it the Yankees were superior in every way.

For the postseason I'm not so sure how they will do. They feasted on bad Boston pitching. Can they do the same in the postseason against teams with much better pitching staffs?

Only time will tell.

I you look at my posts before and during the series you will see that I said the Sox rolled over. No doubt about it the Yankees were superior in every way.

For the postseason I'm not so sure how they will do. They feasted on bad Boston pitching. Can they do the same in the postseason against teams with much better pitching staffs?

Only time will tell.

That argument can be made against every team that has ever made the post-season in the history of Baseball. Think about it.

That argument can be made against every team that has ever made the post-season in the history of Baseball. Think about it.

The more important question is, can the Yankees get a solid performance from their starters and give the ball to Mariano with a lead?

The more important question is, can the Yankees get a solid performance from their starters and give the ball to Mariano with a lead?
That, is the question. If they can do that 11 times this October, they will be WS Champs.