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Good news Yanks! Andy is back!

:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Awsome news.

Biggest mistake of the Cashman/Torre era has been corrected.

It is only a 1 year deal so if Pettitte really is done the Yanks aren't going to be hung up for major bucks.

Great Great job.

:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Awsome news.

Biggest mistake of the Cashman/Torre era has been corrected.

It is only a 1 year deal so if Pettitte really is done the Yanks aren't going to be hung up for major bucks.

Great Great job.The biggest mistake was trading Nick Johnson and Rivera for Vazquez but it's still great to have Andy back.

It's good news for the Mets too because it pretty much eliminates the Yankees from bidding on Zito.

It's good news for the Mets too because it pretty much eliminates the Yankees from bidding on Zito.
The Yankees weren't in on Zito anyway but if i'm the Mets i think long and hard before giving Zito 100 million.

Good news for yanks fans would be if Andy gets his pitching back! Not so good stuff last year my friends!

:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

Awsome news.

Biggest mistake of the Cashman/Torre era has been corrected.

It is only a 1 year deal so if Pettitte really is done the Yanks aren't going to be hung up for major bucks.

Great Great job.


Supposedly there is a 2nd year 16 million player option.
That takes a little luster off the deal if true but not a bad signing with this crop of free agent pitchers.

Yanks should get 12-16 wins and a 4 ERA and allows them to dump Pavano on someone if they eat enough salary while keeping Proctor in the pen . Sounds like the plan is to hold the forte while the young pitchers develop.

4.20 NL ERA,even for a guy who has pitched here before, isn't going to work out. At 34/35 those nagging injuires he's had during the last few years become long DL stints. 1996 nostalgia isn't winning pennants, and if he blocks Philip Hughes from making the team out of spring training that will be a huge negative.

On the other hand, his contract, given what we've seen the last few days isn't bad. He's better, if marginally, than Ted Lilly. With this geriatric staff there will be plenty of starts and DL stints for everyone. But if Wang and Hughes are the best pitchers in September, don't want to hear Torre lose a series by starting Pettitte over one of the young guns.

One more big plus-it's almost a lock Sawx fans are about to start eating their parting nasty words upon the Fenway resigning of the now-I've-betrayed-by-the-Astros! Mercenary Clemens. Bon apettit, Boston!

4.20 NL ERA,even for a guy who has pitched here before, isn't going to work out. At 34/35 those nagging injuires he's had during the last few years become long DL stints. 1996 nostalgia isn't winning pennants, and if he blocks Philip Hughes from making the team out of spring training that will be a huge negative.

On the other hand, his contract, given what we've seen the last few days isn't bad. He's better, if marginally, than Ted Lilly. With this geriatric staff there will be plenty of starts and DL stints for everyone. But if Wang and Hughes are the best pitchers in September, don't want to hear Torre lose a series by starting Pettitte over one of the young guns.

One more big plus-it's almost a lock Sawx fans are about to start eating their parting nasty words upon the Fenway resigning of the now-I've-betrayed-by-the-Astros! Mercenary Clemens. Bon apettit, Boston!1 His 4.20 ERA VERY misleading because of his injury issues early in the season for 1.5 of the next 2 years Pettitte has been one of the best pitchers in baseball.

2 He's not blocking Hughes. He was going to start the season in Scranton no matter what.

3 You're getting one of the best FA pitchers for a short contract.

This is a COMPLETE NO BRAINER.

1 His 4.20 ERA VERY misleading because of his injury issues early in the season for 1.5 of the next 2 years Pettitte has been one of the best pitchers in baseball.

2 He's not blocking Hughes. He was going to start the season in Scranton no matter what.

3 You're getting one of the best FA pitchers for a short contract.

This is a COMPLETE NO BRAINER.

Even the most stubborn Mets/Sox Yankee haters have to admit this is a good move. Even if Pettite doesn't win 20 games next year he's still lethal in the playoffs and can still throw very hard.

1 His 4.20 ERA VERY misleading because of his injury issues early in the season for 1.5 of the next 2 years Pettitte has been one of the best pitchers in baseball.

2 He's not blocking Hughes. He was going to start the season in Scranton no matter what.

3 You're getting one of the best FA pitchers for a short contract.

This is a COMPLETE NO BRAINER.

Not really...in his final six seasons in New York, the only year in which he had an ERA under 3.99 was one in which he was limited to 22 starts .

Not really...in his final six seasons in New York, the only year in which he had an ERA under 3.99 was one in which he was limited to 22 starts .
Those ERA's mean nothing really. Look at ERA+. That 4 ERA was because of his tough 1st half where he was hurt and had a 5+ ERA. His ERA in the 2nd half was 2.80 and his ERA last year was 2.39.

Those ERA's mean nothing really. Look at ERA+. That 4 ERA was because of his tough 1st half where he was hurt and had a 5+ ERA. His ERA in the 2nd half was 2.80 and his ERA last year was 2.39.

So the elbow problems are guaranteed not to come back?

Good move by the Yankees, but not without risk.

So the elbow problems are guaranteed not to come back?

Good move by the Yankees, but not without risk.
There is an element of risk involved in every move but he's pitched 200+ IP in the last 2 years.

I love the move beacuse of the length of the contract. In years past the Yankees would have given Pettite a 4 or 5 year deal.

Pettite is one of the top three pitchers in baseball over the past five years after the all-star break. Last year was no fluke folks. Pettite has established himself as a 2nd half pithcher. There will be PLENTY of injuries to the Yankee staff to get the kids some work so I'm fine with that too. I think the Yanks still try to deal Pavano to work one of the kids in to the mix on a more consistent basis, and there's no guaranetee they sign Igawa after this move either.

I love the move beacuse of the length of the contract. In years past the Yankees would have given Pettite a 4 or 5 year deal.

Pettite is one of the top three pitchers in baseball over the past five years after the all-star break. Last year was no fluke folks. Pettite has established himself as a 2nd half pithcher. There will be PLENTY of injuries to the Yankee staff to get the kids some work so I'm fine with that too. I think the Yanks still try to deal Pavano to work one of the kids in to the mix on a more consistent basis, and there's no guaranetee they sign Igawa after this move either.

So are they negotiating in good faith with Igawa?;)

So are they negotiating in good faith with Igawa?;)

I couldn't tell ya. The guy his probably an 8-10 million dollar a yr. pitcher. If the Yanks are offering him 3 or 4 and pretending it's markent value then they aren't. I do think it's odd that we havne't heard a single word about the negotiations.

So are they negotiating in good faith with Igawa?;)I'm under the impression that they are going to sign him.

So the elbow problems are guaranteed not to come back?

Good move by the Yankees, but not without risk.

Agreed.

Pettitte and his elbow was the main reason the Yanks didn't resign him after 2003. (Although if you ask me personally I will always say George never liked Pettitte for whatever reason).

The elbow issues came up in 2004 and he missed significant time. 2005 he had a Cy Young worthy season. 2005 he was bad in the first half but very good in second half. I'd like to say that we will see the Pettitte of 2005 but we just don't know.

I will say this though. I would take Andy Pettitte at 70% over Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Javier Vazquez, Kevin Brown or even Randy Johnson at 100%.

The move makes the Yankees "on paper" then it was at the end of the 2006 season.

I'm under the impression that they are going to sign him.

Same here. Too many chances for injuries with Pavano-Randy-Pettite and Moose. It makes good sense to sign Igawa unless they want the 25mill bid back.

I will say this though. I would take Andy Pettitte at 70% over Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Javier Vazquez, Kevin Brown or even Randy Johnson at 100%.

Great move by the Yankees. I'm not really sure about taking Pettitte at 70% over RJ, unless you're talking about the one that we currently have, who's extremely old.

Good move. I know some don't think so, he will make a positive difference.

Pavano will have company on the DL now.

This was a good move they need another left hander in the rotation especially since Johnson is on the downside of his career.

not too thrilled

Any Yankee fan who doesn't love this deal is insane.

Welcome back Andy!:yahoo:

Any Yankee fan who doesn't love this deal is insane.

Welcome back Andy!:yahoo:

16 mill for 2 seasons is still over-paying IMO

What are the chances we get Clemens back as well now? :D

THEN, we'll have a solid rotation ;)

What are the chances we get Clemens back as well now? :D

THEN, we'll have a solid rotation ;)
the yankees don't need clemens.

randy
moose
igawa
pettite
wang

and Pavano...just kidding.

if one of them goes down we should make a bid for Roger

The push for Roger should start now. That rotation would strike fear in anyone.

The push for Roger should start now. That rotation would strike fear in anyone.

I don't like him.

The push for Roger should start now. That rotation would strike fear in anyone.

I actually agree with this, even though I think Roger was a rat for retiring and going to houston, his yankee teammates didnt seem mad about it.

Randy Johnson wont be ready to start the season. Pettite might stay healthy, Moose will probably see a DL stint and he wont be as good as last year, Wang was an injury question at this time last year. Who the hell knows with Pavano.

This staff has way too many question marks. We need another pitcher, Clemens for 1 year while Hughes and co. get ready would be a great deal.

I like the rotation as-is right now.

Pettitte
Wang
Moose
Randy
Igawa

Solid enough. We've got Karstens and Pavano (lol, JK) and Hughes waiting if Randy is hurt or Igawa is crap.

16 mill for 2 seasons is still over-paying IMO


32 Mill for two seasons.....the 2nd year is Andy's option at 16mill though he said if he is hurt he won't take it. Nice guy.

32 Mill for two seasons.....the 2nd year is Andy's option at 16mill though he said if he is hurt he won't take it. Nice guy.

and what im saying is i wouldn't even pay him 16 million for 2 years (ie 8 a year)

While I actually like Pettite, I have to call him out as a phoney now. For someone who was so high on "family" and being close to home and singing in the choir at his father-in-laws church, and how that meant so much to him, he sure did jump at the extra $4 million the Yanks offered. If all that meant so much to him, wouldn't $12 million have been fair enough? I mean, the Astros bent over backwards for 3 years for him and Clemens and this is how he shows his appreciation? I don't get it. Thought Pettite actually WAS a guy who didn't go where the biggest deal came from, guess I was wrong.


All that being said, I like the deal from the Yanks stand point. Regular season means nothing in the Bronx, but to have a 4 man rotation of Pettite, Mussina, Wang and Johnson is nuts in the playoffs.

Welcome back Andy!! Can't wait to see you pitching in Pinstripes again!!!

While I actually like Pettite, I have to call him out as a phoney now. For someone who was so high on "family" and being close to home and singing in the choir at his father-in-laws church, and how that meant so much to him, he sure did jump at the extra $4 million the Yanks offered. If all that meant so much to him, wouldn't $12 million have been fair enough? I mean, the Astros bent over backwards for 3 years for him and Clemens and this is how he shows his appreciation? I don't get it. Thought Pettite actually WAS a guy who didn't go where the biggest deal came from, guess I was wrong.


All that being said, I like the deal from the Yanks stand point. Regular season means nothing in the Bronx, but to have a 4 man rotation of Pettite, Mussina, Wang and Johnson is nuts in the playoffs.

I'm of the opinion that all that family stuff he talked about when he left for Houston was just a cover. He was hurt and angry at the fact that the Yankees decided to jump for Gary Sheffield and just made a last minute offer to him rather than actually showing him any respect at all for what he'd done in pinstripes. He wasn't gonna just come out and say "Yeah,I would've stayed in NY if they'd even acted like they wanted me to stay. But they didn't,so here I am in Houston."

Again,thats just my personal opinion. Pettite never would've left if the boss hadn't gone nuts for Sheff.

I agree with a couple of the posts that state George doesn't like Pettitte. Does anybody know why? I can't see a reason. I remember back when Andy was supposed to be soft, but he showed up when it counted. Boss called plenty of dogs "warriors" and still never seemed to warm up to Andy. BTW, I don't think Pavano coming back is that big of a joke. How many people thought Kenny Rogers would be lights out in the 2006 postseason when he left the Yanks? It'd be a shock, but stranger things have happened, even in the Yankee rotation.

Baseball is a business, even though we love our teams and players. The guy was given more money and he left. It's not like he went to Beanfart.

the yankees don't need clemens.

You can't be serious with that post.

Every team needs Roger Clemens. He's a bonafide ace, who has been better than ever the past two seasons.

You can't be serious with that post.

Every team needs Roger Clemens. He's a bonafide ace, who has been better than ever the past two seasons.


no, because we have too many SPs

randy
moose
igawa
pettite
wang

and pavano is in limbo

You can't be serious with that post.

Every team needs Roger Clemens. He's a bonafide ace, who has been better than ever the past two seasons.
He had alot of trouble in the AL East 4 years younger. There is nothing that makes me think he won't 4 years older... And the yankees have great pitching depth that dosn't need to be blocked by a 45 year old.

He had alot of trouble in the AL East 4 years younger. There is nothing that makes me think he won't 4 years older... And the yankees have great pitching depth that dosn't need to be blocked by a 45 year old.

Please define "a lot of trouble"

Clemens had a sub 4.00 ERA in three of his last four seasons in the AL East including a 3.91 ERA and almost 4-1 K/BB ratio in his last season. Less hits than IP and under 60 walks on top of that.

Please god, curse the entire Yankee starting staff this year by making them have "a lot of troulbe" in the AL East so they can win 115 games.

no, because we have too many SPs

randy
moose
igawa
pettite
wang

and pavano is in limbo



you never have too many SP's. especially when johnson, pavano and igawa are all question marks. adding Clemens would help the Yanks...plus it would give me yet another reason to hate them even more! ;)

no, because we have too many SPs

randy
moose
igawa
pettite
wang

and pavano is in limbo


Doggy Dog, how many timez I gotsta spin dis 1 for ya?

Igawa might not even be signed, and he might be our bullpen lefty. Pettite is an elbow injury risk. Randy Johnson? Are you high? The guy is done, he might retire. Moose always hits the DL here and there with a hamstring, not to mention his production will decline. Pavano? Pavano? Pavano? The name escapes me right now......

We need Clemens. If we get him, we will be in great great shape.

16 mill for 2 seasons is still over-paying IMO

It's only for 2 years, tops.

Would you rater a 4 years committment to a ted Lilly?