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Blackout™
03-05-2005, 02:40 PM
Bonds sounds off on cheating, parenting, exploitation
By Pedro Gomez, Special to ESPN.com


SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- There are times Barry Bonds, without provocation, opens the window to his soul and allows a visitor a rare glimpse into what makes baseball's most dangerous player tick.

For whatever reason, Bonds was in one of those moods Thursday at Scottsdale Stadium, the spring training home of his club of 13 years, the San Francisco Giants.

“ I tell my boy, if I see you doing steroids, I'll bust you up. And I mean it. ”
— Barry Bonds

With his godfather, Willie Mays, less than 10 feet away, one of his trainers and a Giants public relations manager standing across from him, his personal security guard in the seat next to him, Bonds began engaging and lecturing a pair of reporters for over 30 minutes.

Within the first few minutes of the exchange, Bonds had everyone in the small gathering engaged in a wide-ranging chat inside the nearly empty clubhouse while his teammates bused over to Tempe to take on the Los Angeles Angels in their first Cactus League game of the new season.

Much like his highly publicized news conference from the week before, Bonds touched on a variety of subjects. This time, though, while never using the word steroids directly and speaking in general terms, Bonds seemed to acknowledge that its existence was prevalent.

"You're talking about something that wasn't even illegal at the time,'' Bonds said. "All this stuff about supplements, protein shakes, whatever. Man, it's not like this is the Olympics. We don't train four years for, like, a 10-second (event). We go 162 games. You've got to come back day after day after day. We're entertainers. If I can't go out there and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me. There are far worse things like cocaine, heroin and those types of things.

"So we all make mistakes. We all do things. We need to turn the page. We need to forget about the past and let us play the game. We're entertainers. Let us entertain."



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Bonds said he didn't know what cheating was at his recent news conference.
On the subject of cheating, Bonds had this to say:

"You want to define cheating in America? When they make a shirt in Korea for a $1.50 and sell it here for 500 bucks? And you ask me what cheating means? I'll tell you how I cheat. I cheat because I'm my daddy's son. He taught me the game. He taught me things nobody else knows. So that's how I cheat. I'm my daddy's son."

Bonds said he was equally disgusted by what he says is exploitation of young steroid users in news reports. At the same time, he said he would reign down with fury if his teenaged son, Nikolai, ever experimented with steroids.

"It busts me up when they show some teenager who's been on steroids and his life is suddenly messed up,'' Bonds said. "It's the parents job to be a parent to that kid. It's like when my son says to me, 'aren't you my friend?' Hell no, I'm not your friend. I'll be a friendly dad, but I'm not your best friend. I love you. The system doesn't love you. You think the system is going to do for you what I will? I want what's best for you. I tell my boy, if I see you doing steroids, I'll bust you up. And I mean it. "

One of the points often made to show Bonds may have used some kind of steroid or other performance enhancing substance, is his allegedly enlarging cranium. Without prompting, he willingly addressed that topic with this statement:

"What's all this about my head size?" Bonds asked. "My hat size is the same today as when I started. My head hasn't grown. I've always been a 7-1/4 to a 7-3/8 my whole career. You can go check. Sometimes you get one and you sweat, it gets smaller, so you go a size up or a size down. Those things shrink when you sweat or they get wet during a season.

Canseco: Steroids help staying power

Jose Canseco said he completely agrees with Barry Bonds' sentiments about players needing to stay in the lineup.
"It's not like players were using steroids for power so much as they were to stay in the lineup," Canseco said. "Barry is absolutely right when he says there is pressure to play as many games as possible. You want to be able to put up numbers so you will be paid, but there's pressure also from the players in the minor leagues who are coming up behind you."

Canseco, who has been invited to testify before a congressional hearing later this month, also said he does not believe he needs immunity from prosecution in order to testify and that he is definitely leaning toward accepting the invitation from congress.

"I have nothing to hide," Canseco said. "Everything I have to say is in my book, but if they want me to go, I'll be there. It will be interesting if others go and hide behind the Fifth Amendment. If that happens, well, I think people can make up their own minds when it comes to those types of answers."

-- Pedro Gomez


"I saw a 13-year-old kid on one of the news shows talking about my head size. How do they know? That kid hasn't seen 15 years of my career and he's talking about my head size. That's one of the saddest things, man. That's manipulation. They manipulated that kid."

Bonds even brought up another alleged side affect of using steroids, a reduction in size of genitalia.

"They say it makes your testicles shrink,'' he said. "I can tell you my testicles are the same size. They haven't shrunk. They're the same and work just the same as they always have."

Are some of these statements an admission? Bonds wouldn't say. He simply let his remarks hang there, allowing for whatever interpretation anyone in the group wanted to infer from his words.

And what really gets under Bonds' skin? Well, rude fans, for one. Here's what he had to say about them:

"If you go to a Little League game and hear a parent yelling at your kid about how he stinks. Are you going to sit there and listen to that or do something? Of course you'd do something. We get treated the same way. People are yelling about how horrible we are and how we stink and we can't do anything. You think I want to be up there and strike out with the bases loaded? No one wants that. We all want to succeed. All we do is the same thing a parent tells their kid. We pat the guy and tell him to stay up, that they'll have another chance. We're no different."

So with that much abuse taking place on the field, why does Bonds stay on it? It may be a cliché, but Bonds insists his reason is as simple as his love of the game.

"Money doesn't make me play this game,'' Bonds said. "If it was just money, I would have quit a long time ago. I can sit down and do nothing for the next two years and they still have to pay me. I play this game because I love it. No other reason. You think I'd put up with everything I put up with just for the money? I've got more money than I'll ever need."

Jet/BosoxFan
03-05-2005, 02:46 PM
The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

Blackout™
03-05-2005, 03:20 PM
The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

this coming from a fan of the team with the 130 million dollar payroll? :lol:

what do you want the cap to be set at? 130? :lol:

The Troll
03-05-2005, 04:28 PM
If I can't go out there and somebody pays $60 for a ticket, and I'm not in the lineup, who's getting cheated? Not me. There are far worse things like cocaine, heroin and those types of things.[/b]

Really, Barry?

Does that explain why you decided to take a day off whenever I went to see your despicable ass play the Blue Jays last June?

Practice what you preach, moron.

Jet/BosoxFan
03-05-2005, 08:36 PM
The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

this coming from a fan of the team with the 130 million dollar payroll? :lol:

what do you want the cap to be set at? 130? :lol:



Actually, the lack of a salary cap has helped the average Yankee hater. If not for george's unrelenting appetite to buy up the stars of everyone elses teams...he might still have the core of the winning Yankee teams in pinstripes instead of the likes of A-hole, Juicin' Jason, Cancer Sheffield, and Missina. None of whom has won anything as a Yankee.

Still, a salary cap would be beneficial to every team not named the Yankees and the Red Sox. I guess you can thrown the Met-a-mucils in there too, though once again they are a distant afterthought

Mavrik
03-05-2005, 08:56 PM
The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

this coming from a fan of the team with the 130 million dollar payroll? :lol:

what do you want the cap to be set at? 130? :lol:






Actually, the lack of a salary cap has helped the average Yankee hater. If not for george's unrelenting appetite to buy up the stars of everyone elses teams...he might still have the core of the winning Yankee teams in pinstripes instead of the likes of A-hole, Juicin' Jason, Cancer Sheffield, and Missina. None of whom has won anything as a Yankee.

Still, a salary cap would be beneficial to every team not named the Yankees and the Red Sox. I guess you can thrown the Met-a-mucils in there too, though once again they are a distant afterthought



Your team is just as guilty of ridiculous spending as the Yankees. Regardless of the separation of payroll between the two of them.

Jet/BosoxFan
03-06-2005, 03:50 PM
[quote=Jet/BosoxFan]The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

this coming from a fan of the team with the 130 million dollar payroll? :lol:

what do you want the cap to be set at? 130? :lol:






Actually, the lack of a salary cap has helped the average Yankee hater. If not for george's unrelenting appetite to buy up the stars of everyone elses teams...he might still have the core of the winning Yankee teams in pinstripes instead of the likes of A-hole, Juicin' Jason, Cancer Sheffield, and Missina. None of whom has won anything as a Yankee.

Still, a salary cap would be beneficial to every team not named the Yankees and the Red Sox. I guess you can thrown the Met-a-mucils in there too, though once again they are a distant afterthought



Your team is just as guilty of ridiculous spending as the Yankees. Regardless of the separation of payroll between the two of them.[/quote


I'd hate to put words into your mouth because I think at a much higher level...


but how exactly is the Sox annual payroll as bad as the Yanks? One if less than $130 million and the other is upwards of $200 million. Thats a $70 million dollar difference. And thats just last year...every year for the past decade, the Yanks have been high atop the mountain of gratuitous spending and everyone else has been far behind.

Plus, we have to spend like this because we are in the Yanks division. Put us in the AL central and we'll win by 20 games and spend a fraction of what we spend now.

You have no leg to stand on...NONE whatsoever!

Blackout™
03-06-2005, 10:47 PM
[quote=Jet/BosoxFan]The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

this coming from a fan of the team with the 130 million dollar payroll? :lol:

what do you want the cap to be set at? 130? :lol:






Actually, the lack of a salary cap has helped the average Yankee hater. If not for george's unrelenting appetite to buy up the stars of everyone elses teams...he might still have the core of the winning Yankee teams in pinstripes instead of the likes of A-hole, Juicin' Jason, Cancer Sheffield, and Missina. None of whom has won anything as a Yankee.

Still, a salary cap would be beneficial to every team not named the Yankees and the Red Sox. I guess you can thrown the Met-a-mucils in there too, though once again they are a distant afterthought



Your team is just as guilty of ridiculous spending as the Yankees. Regardless of the separation of payroll between the two of them.[/quote


I'd hate to put words into your mouth because I think at a much higher level...


but how exactly is the Sox annual payroll as bad as the Yanks? One if less than $130 million and the other is upwards of $200 million. Thats a $70 million dollar difference. And thats just last year...every year for the past decade, the Yanks have been high atop the mountain of gratuitous spending and everyone else has been far behind.

Plus, we have to spend like this because we are in the Yanks division. Put us in the AL central and we'll win by 20 games and spend a fraction of what we spend now.

You have no leg to stand on...NONE whatsoever!

LOL the red sox payroll is twice of Oaklands, and your saying they should be excused just because someone else has a higher one?

thats like saying you shouldn't be tried for murdering 3 people because your friend murdered 4 people and wasn't arrested yet :roll:

bottom line, you have no reason to cry about the payroll situation unless you would prefer to see Manny, Schilling and Ortiz all cut.

Jet/BosoxFan
03-07-2005, 06:54 PM
Actually, I would prefer to see 100% comptetitive balance, believe that or not. Anyone who remembers my posts from that old board can attest to the fact that I never shut up about it. Even if the Sox lose several players...the Yanks would lose more than a few. Face it dude, the BoSox are guilty of spending too much, but the Yanks are far and away worse!

Your analogy sucks. To be more accurate, the Sox would have committed some crime like insider trading (not triple murder) and the Yanks would be guilty of a Saddam-like war crime where 5000 people died if youre trying to relate the modern baseball scene to criminal activities.

I'm sick of pretending to care which team, Boston or New York signs which high priced stud...leaving scraps for everyone else. Its getting old very fast.

Max
03-07-2005, 08:13 PM
Boston bought their championship. The Yankees earned theirs with homegrown talent.

Break into small discussion groups and talk this over amongst yourselves.

Mavrik
03-07-2005, 08:22 PM
[quote=Jet/BosoxFan]The only bigger black eye on the face of MLB than steroids is the annual Yankee payroll.


Legitimate steroid testing + a salary cap = the only solution for restoring some credibility

this coming from a fan of the team with the 130 million dollar payroll? :lol:

what do you want the cap to be set at? 130? :lol:






Actually, the lack of a salary cap has helped the average Yankee hater. If not for george's unrelenting appetite to buy up the stars of everyone elses teams...he might still have the core of the winning Yankee teams in pinstripes instead of the likes of A-hole, Juicin' Jason, Cancer Sheffield, and Missina. None of whom has won anything as a Yankee.

Still, a salary cap would be beneficial to every team not named the Yankees and the Red Sox. I guess you can thrown the Met-a-mucils in there too, though once again they are a distant afterthought



Your team is just as guilty of ridiculous spending as the Yankees. Regardless of the separation of payroll between the two of them.[/quote


I'd hate to put words into your mouth because I think at a much higher level...


but how exactly is the Sox annual payroll as bad as the Yanks? One if less than $130 million and the other is upwards of $200 million. Thats a $70 million dollar difference. And thats just last year...every year for the past decade, the Yanks have been high atop the mountain of gratuitous spending and everyone else has been far behind.

Plus, we have to spend like this because we are in the Yanks division. Put us in the AL central and we'll win by 20 games and spend a fraction of what we spend now.

You have no leg to stand on...NONE whatsoever!



I wasn't comparing the difference in payroll between Yanks and Red Sox, but compare the Red Sox payroll with the rest of the league. Regardless of the Yanks payroll, the Sox have a payroll of nearly 130 million dollars, now compare that with the rest of the league and there is still a huge disparity. There is still a nearly 100 million dollar difference between the Sox and the 3 lowest payrolls in the Majors. The Sox free spend just as much as the Yanks do and most offseasons have basically come down to whos going to the Yanks and who's going to the Sox. They throw money around and everyone else either doesn't even bother or fights for the scraps on the table.

T-Mac
03-07-2005, 10:39 PM
Boston bought their championship. The Yankees earned theirs with homegrown talent.

Break into small discussion groups and talk this over amongst yourselves.Sorry Max, But the Yankmees have been buying the trophy for the last 20 years. They just don't always get paid.

Leave it to BoTox to hijax a legit thread.

Barry still claims that steroids don't help his hand-to-eye coordination. Does anyone doubt that having the ability to bring the bat through the strike zone faster just might enhance the chance of meeting the ball there?

Max
03-08-2005, 08:09 AM
Boston bought their championship. The Yankees earned theirs with homegrown talent.

Break into small discussion groups and talk this over amongst yourselves.Sorry Max, But the Yankmees have been buying the trophy for the last 20 years. They just don't always get paid.

Leave it to BoTox to hijax a legit thread.

Barry still claims that steroids don't help his hand-to-eye coordination. Does anyone doubt that having the ability to bring the bat through the strike zone faster just might enhance the chance of meeting the ball there?

TMAC:
I was joking with my original line. But the Yankees have only gotten worse once they tried to start buying it. (A point Bosox has already made). IN 1996 the payroll was close. As it was semi close the next few seasons. Then George went mad and the Yankees won squat!

Oh and Bonds is definitely a JUICER!

Blackout™
03-08-2005, 10:12 AM
we already knew Barry had good handeye coordination throughout his career, he just didnt have the power to hit the ball out of the park every at-bat

suddenly, he got that power in the 99 offseason while he also put on 20 pounds of pure muscle

what a coincidence :lol:

124
03-08-2005, 11:15 PM
Bonds would know, since he was on them and all.

Jet/BosoxFan
03-09-2005, 11:33 AM
[quote=Maxman]Boston bought their championship. The Yankees earned theirs with homegrown talent.

Break into small discussion groups and talk this over amongst yourselves.

Leave it to BoTox to hijax a legit thread.

quote]



The Yankees are guilty of crimes that reach far deeper than anything Barry Bonds has done to the game. If not for the limitless contracts they are allowed to offer to the elite free agents, juicing would not be nearly as prevalent in MLB. Other teams offer big bucks, yes...but nobody is a worse offender than fat george as we know. He is the worst cancer ever to infect the game. He ruined baseball in every city except for NYC and Boston, he lied under oath, and paid off some degenerate thugs to find dirt on Winfield, and scalps his own fans with his egregious YES Network.

He should be barred from baseball, never to return. All poor Pete Rose did was gamble on his team to win...and look at him.


Anyway, fat george also took steroid provisions out of Jucin' Jason's contract (and Sheff's too no doubt)because he knew he was a dope fiend. For that he should be locked up in the slam.

All Bonds did was cheat to reach break a homerun record. Who the hell really cares about individual records in baseball? He will probably pay with his life, which will end about 30 years before it should have...same with Juicin' Jason, Cancer Sheffield, and Jose Canseco

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