Posted By Sperm Edwards
Post: Chad sucks!
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Originally Posted by kelticwizard
 I can understand that contracts are structured so that where a player ranks in terms of pay varies with his year on the contract. And that these contracts tend to leap frog each other. Nonetheless, when dealing with several dozen contracts things do tend to average out and a norm emerges. From there, you can get a good idea of what constitutes normal pay for a starting quarterback. Whether Chad’s pay is actually 16th, 20th or even 25th is not so important so long as it is somewhere in the usual range for starting QB’s. Which it certainly appears to be, even if allowing for the difference between 2008 and 2007, the last year for my source.
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
A lot of the bigger contracts are still in their first couple of years, when the base salary is lower. Your assumption is incorrect.
If you want to go to rotoworld and look up all the salaries of all the NFL starting QB’s, and then factor in all roster bonuses and signing bonuses, and come up with average QB pay and annual QB pay for all of them, be my guest. It should probably take you about an hour or so if you’re really interested. If I’m wrong on this then I’m wrong. But I highly doubt Pennington is among the top half of starting QB’s in terms of compensation. Truth is, even if it turns out to be so (which it won’t), it speaks more to Miami’s desperation than to the demand for Pennington’s services as starter. He was a good choice for Miami because they don’t have a legit QB with starting experience to start in until Henne or Beck (lol) step up their game to the point where they’re ready for NFL defenses. They won’t score points either way, but at least Chad will keep the Miami defense off the field a little longer with his dink & dunk stuff. |
| Chad’s agent announced the Miami deal about 26 ot 27 hours after Chad got cut. The 24 hour offer is a common one both in and out of sports, so when you see the announcement a deal is made nearly 24 hours to the hour after an offer is made, it is a good guess that it was a 24 hour offer. |
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
There is no basis for that whatsoever other than saying it because it suits an argument you’re making. There isn’t even so much as a rumor that there was any 24 hour, take-it-or-leave-it, now-or-never type of deal.
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| As for the Minnesota thing, are you sure that absolutely no reporters asked them about Chad? Regardless, even if Chad’s agent was the source of who he had contact with, Minnesota would have good reason not to want the reporters to know if they did discuss Pennington. And if the agent is smart, he would honor the request not to name Minnesota, if indeed such request was made.
I’m not saying Minnesota necessarily did contact Pennington’s agent, I’m just saying that if they did I can’t imagine them wanting it to get out. |
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
And since the likelihood was low that we were going to end up with Favre, and that we were most likely going to still end up going with Chad/Kellen, did the Jets want the Favre stuff to leak out? Hell no. You cannot keep a lid on stuff. At a minimum, there’s always at least an unnamed source that leaks this stuff.
Minnesota did not contact the Jets about Pennington. By contrast, everyone knows they had interest in Favre. |
| I never said his agent only talked to one team. I only meant that Parcells’ offer of a starter’s salary, starter’s job from Day One and the likely 24 hour limit on acceptance pretty well prevented other interested teams from increasing their offer as negotiations wore on. They either had to match or exceed Parcells’ offer in 24 hours or Chad’s gone to Miami. Parcells was no doubt sure this combo would bring Pennington to the Dolphins without having to pay $6M and it worked. |
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
It prevented nothing. It doesn’t take long for Chad’s agent to pick up a phone & say, “We have an offer of just under $4M/yr and a legitimate shot at the starting job from Miami. Are you willing to match or top that?” Clearly the answer around the league was a resounding “No way” since he went to Miami. This doesn’t take days or weeks to get a response from teams. If they want him, they want him.
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| I am not so sure what constitutes “tremendous demand” for a QB who got cut loose only 4 weeks before Opening Day. Daunte Culpepper and Byron Leftwich were both established starters who unable to connect with any team after being cut. I think Leftwich just signed for a minimum contract to be a backup with some team who lost a QB to injury. It’s not so unusual for starters to disappear out the league under circumstances like this. At any rate, at this late date I would think that any team who did offer a starting job to Pennington-or who mentioned starting at all-would want discretion from the player’s agent about what was offered if they did not land the player in question.. |
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
They may want it, but that doesn’t mean they’re going to get it. I’m sure the Jets wanted discretion with Kendall, Baker, Coles, etc. I’m sure Arizona wanted discretion from Fitzgerald & Boldin. I’m sure Green Bay wanted discretion from Favre & Ryan Grant. I’m sure the Chiefs wanted discretion regarding Herm Edwards. And I guarantee you Miami, with this same GM in the same off-season, wanted discretion with Calvin Pace. And none of them got it.
They can all want these things but in this day & age you cannot keep a lid on anything. From an agent’s perspective, it’s in the client’s interest to drum up as much publicity as possible so that it creates a buzz & causes competing bids. |
| He may not have gotten the 16th highest contract but he certainly landed on his feet when cut a few weeks before the season in a way others in similar circumstances did not. Landing a starting job and starter’s salary in just 24 hours strongly indicates that Pennington had worth his detractors denied him. And we really don’t know if any other clubs offered him a starting job. |
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
If not for the unique situation existing in Miami, where they were coming off a 1-15 season & still have no sure-thing starter for the coming season, it seems unlikely that he would have gotten a starting-job contract from any other NFL team. You may think so, but that is no more than your personal fabricated guess as to what might have happened. There’s nothing that has been said from any team/agent/player sources indiciate otherwise.
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| See, that’s what I’m not so sure of. Since offering a starter’s position or even offering starter’s money for what is supposed to be a backup position is a huge vote of no confidence in your present quarterback, I would think any clubs discussing starting would request, and get, confidentiality in the negotiations. Because if they don’t get Pennington, they have to start the season with a QB they just made clear was not satisfactory.
That is why I am skeptical of those denials. |
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Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards
The Jets & Bucs made no such denials and they were in exactly that position. It is also pretty well known that Favre’s first choices were to go to either Minnesota or Chicago. And since GB put into the trade clause that if the Jets were to trade Favre to those teams that we’d have to surrender 3 first round draft picks, so that concern was legitimate. THAT is the type of circumstantial evidence that suggests there was, in fact, interest from them even if the teams didn’t publicize it themselves.
You are just making stuff up & then stating it as either fact or likely-fact to use as the basis for an argument. The thing is, these things are neither facts nor are they likely. They are the direct opposite of everything that was announced, and everything that was “unofficially” leaked to every media outlet. There is no smoking gun. |
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