JetNation.com Randy Lange Chat Transcript – 9/21/06
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[Max] 8:04 pm: Hi Randy.Â Thanks for joining us tonight.
[RandyLange] 8:04 pm: Howdy, yâ€™all. Iâ€™m happy to be here.
[Max] 8:04 pm: R44 is hosting this for us.Â He will start us off.Â Itâ€™s all yours R44.
[R44] 8:05 pm: Randy, welcome. I guess the first question is what do we make of Chad Penningtonâ€™s excellent start? Is he back to the Chad Jets
fans once loved?
[RandyLange] 8:07 pm: On Chad, it sure looks that way. He may still technically be rehabbing, but heâ€™s close to 100 percent. And he had a few things to say yesterday about what he did during his rehab â€” studying tape and realizing he was more arm thrower than he realized, and working out to strengthen not just the shoulder but his total body â€” that I think have added some velocity to that much-maligned arm. So far, the results are excellent. Heâ€™s even taken some licking and kept on ticking.
[R44] 8:07 pm: Randy, Iâ€™m sure the Jets new staff doesnâ€™t buy into â€œmoral victoriesâ€?, but how important to a young team was that great â€œalmostâ€? 4th quarter comebackÂ against the Patriots?
[RandyLange] 8:09 pm: R44, no one wanted to admit it, but Mangini did it for them by talking about how proud he was of the comeback, even thoughÂ in the next breath he said how disappointed he was about the 24-0 hole that required the comeback. But to me the loss to the Pats, whether by blowing a 17-0 lead or falling behind 24-0 or trading scores, was another good, not great, sign that Mangini is having his effect on this team. Make progress every day, week, month, win games you arenâ€™t expected to, stay competitive
[RandyLange] 8:09 pm: in the ones you donâ€™t win.
[R44] 8:10 pm: Thank you, Randy.
[tonysxl1200c] 8:10 pm: Hi Randy thanks for stopping by! What do the Jets need to do to start run blocking better and move the ball on the ground effectively?
[RandyLange] 8:11 pm: Tony, thatâ€™s a great question and I donâ€™t know if the answer is on this team or will be found this year. Presumably the line will be showing improvement with Nick and Brick. Thatâ€™s No. 1. Pete Kendallâ€™s injury has surely not helped, because neither Katnik nor A.Jones has looked like even a good stopgap answer. And I feel RT Anthony Clement has been shaky, giving up two sacks and two TFLâ€™s vs. NE, for example.
[RandyLange] 8:12 pm: But I like Kevan Barlow, I think Iâ€™m seeing good things in the short gaines heâ€™s had, some cuts heâ€™s made. So I think if the line settles down and Barlow becomes the starter or at least a co-equal with Blaylock, that will help a lot.
[aec4] 8:12 pm: Randy:Â What is your take on the 4-3 / 3-4 situation?Â Do you buy what Cimini and Klecko or saying, or do you think they are making too much of it?Â I mean, I think Vilma is good enough of a player to play in any format we wish, but of course weâ€™re hurting for a NT.Â What are your thoughts?Â How about for more of a pass rush as well?
[RandyLange] 8:14 pm: AEC4: I assume Cimini and Klecko are saying itâ€™s a mistake to put Vilma in a 3-4. I donâ€™t automatically agree (although I wonâ€™t tell Joe to his face). But the NE game shows the problems. G Stephen Neal and C Dan Koppen got out to Vilma on all four of the Patsâ€™ long runs (14, 14, 14 and 10 yards) and on each he was shielded and couldnâ€™t fly to the ball. So that supports the argument. But on the other hand, the Patriots are the NFLâ€™s gold standard not only at playing the 3-4 but in blocking it,
[RandyLange] 8:15 pm: since the OL sees it every day in training camp and practice. And I think Vilma is incredibly smart and very athletic and can make this thing work. But I think weâ€™d like to see a few wrinkles thrown in by Bob Sutton beginning with Buffalo: sliding the DL a little bit to get a 4-3 look (which they did twice by my count vs. NE). And Dewayne Robertson has to come up bigger than he did vs. NE. He was flat-out neutralized.
[WestchesterJet] 8:14 pm: I understand Randy, and thanks for joining us. But everyone knew prior to the start of the season that D-Rob wasnâ€™t fit to play nose tackle in the 3-4 defense. With the Jets struggling against the run, is Mangini (at least internally) regretting his decision to run the 3-4 without the proper personnel?
[RandyLange] 8:17 pm: WestchesterJet, Mangini doesnâ€™t seem like a young man who regrets much. Itâ€™s tough getting him to admit to anything like miscasting D-Rob, and in fact he said something Monday like Robertson is doing a good job playing the scheme the way the Jets want him to. But part of the problem is that the Jets arenâ€™t moving D-Rob until next season at the earliest. Heâ€™s making too much money and would be too big a cap hit. And at least heâ€™s receptive to playing whatever the coaches tell him to play. If heâ€™s
[RandyLange] 8:18 pm: miscast, I believe the Jets intended to live with it until he came around or until they found the opening to bring him someone else who is a better fit for the 3-4.
[Sperm Edwards] 8:17 pm: Hey Randy – Thanks for being here.Â Tell us what you know about Kendall.Â Iâ€™m sure the Mangini camp is all hush-hush, but how badly hurt did he really seem? In the meantime, who do you think is the favorite to start in his place if he canâ€™t go again Sunday – Katnik again or Jones?
[RandyLange] 8:20 pm: Sperm Edwards, great name. I donâ€™t think Kendallâ€™s is a month-long injury but he may need another week. Heâ€™s on the practice field but as of today he still wasnâ€™t lining up with the first O-line in the early drills; Katnik was still there. So I think Pete may get another week on the sideline. I am only guessing, but Iâ€™d say the best odds to start at BUF are Katnik, then A.J., then Wade Smith. And Trey Teague is getting very close to returning, so wouldnâ€™t it be interesting if after the reporters
[RandyLange] 8:20 pm: were ushered from practice that Teague is getting prepped up to play some guard for the first time in his pro career? But I donâ€™t know that to be true.
[madmike1] 8:20 pm: Hi Randy thanks for your time. It seemed to me that the jets made good things happen vs the pats when they brought more then one blitzer and got in bradyâ€™s face. He certenly made many more bad throws then he has in past years vs the jets. Do you think they will blitz more this week when facing a bad passing game up in buffalo to attempt to get some TOâ€™s to help the offense without coles?
[RandyLange] 8:22 pm: Madmike, I thnk theyâ€™ve got to blitz, or at least mix up the fourth man theyâ€™re sending out of the 3-4 a little more, because the four-man rush has been slow to get to the QB, as we all feared when John Abraham was traded. But the Bills are shielding Losman so well that Job One on Sunday is to contain Willis McGahee. I donâ€™t think itâ€™s impossible, but the run defense has to respond to the issues the Pats raised last week. Hold McGahee down, you get a chance to tee off on Losman, and I think that[RandyLange] 8:23 pm: could be very productive, especially with S Kerry Rhodes starting feel very frisky indeed coming off the edge in certain situations.
[R44] 8:21 pm: Trey Teague is on the PUP list, so heâ€™ll be eligible to play after the Jets sixth game.
[aec4] 8:22 pm: Teague IS NOT on the PUP list
[R44] 8:22 pm: Sorry, my badâ€¦.
[RandyLange] 8:24 pm: R44, Teague is not on the PUP list. He was activated from the preseason active PUP so he can be used at any time, as soon as the Jets determine heâ€™s healthy enough and they decide they have a role for him.
[R44] 8:24 pm: Thank you Randy, I forgot he was activatedâ€¦.
[RandyLange] 8:24 pm: Sorry, I didnâ€™t see aec4â€™s response until I was finished shipping my answer. I have a little too much of that Mangini focus right now. Or maybe itâ€™s just a little lack of sleep.
[chadharmamoon] 8:25 pm: On the show Mike and Mike. when asked about Mike Nugent, Mangini said we are looking for best player for our team, what does that mean?Â Please tell me there are not drafting another kicker.Â Is there any improvements in coles injury situation?
[RandyLange] 8:27 pm: Chad, I believe Nugent was a brushfire thatâ€™s been put out. Heâ€™s a good kid, conscientious, professional, and he came back from Tennessee with a potentially clutch 42-yarder that he hit well. That doesnâ€™t mean heâ€™s over his yips, of course, but itâ€™s a good sign. I think many in Jet Nation remain concerned about Nugent, but I have confidence that heâ€™ll be the kicker for a few more years. As for Coles, he is listed as questionable and did not participate in some portion of 11-on-11 team drills.
[RandyLange] 8:27 pm: (NFL boilerplate) either WED or today. He is running, not full speed, at the start of practice. No oneâ€™s commenting on whether heâ€™ll play or not at BUF, but if I were a wagering man, which I sometimes am, Iâ€™d say Coles will go. Heâ€™s started 85 straight, after all.
[Smizzy] 8:27 pm: With the emergence of Mr.Cotchery, how long untill the Jets realize they are overpaying Justin Mccareins and look to move him? Or am I just dreaming?
[RandyLange] 8:29 pm: Smizzy, I know Justinâ€™s not a fan favorite, and based on his production the last 2 years, heâ€™s getting paid quite well. But Iâ€™ve always felt heâ€™s a receiver more like â€˜04 than â€˜05, when a lot of things went wrong for a lot of people. I donâ€™t know whether Mangini and Schottenheimer have made peace with the idea that McCareins is here for the rest of the year, but Eric is talking like that, and McCareins has actually looked decent, IMO, with a reduced role. He may even be the guy whoâ€™s keeping Tim
[RandyLange] 8:29 pm: Dwight sidelined because Dwight had been the slot WR until he got hurt late in camp and now McCareins is doing that job well.
[Max] 8:29 pm: Randy what is Mr. Coles relationship with Mangini like right now?Â He seems to be the team spokesman and we have heard some rumblings from him about how hard camp was and how negative Mangini is.Â Are there problems between the two that could spill over to the rest of the locker room?
[RandyLange] 8:31 pm: Max, I just called it the latest episode of â€œLav and the Coachâ€? today. Laveranues has been more talkative than ever before this year, and a very good quote at that. He doesnâ€™t care that he zings his HC every once in a while, and it seems as if heâ€™s doing it more playfully than spitefully. Mangini even didnâ€™t seem to mind that Coles called him â€œorneryâ€? and â€œa mean little guyâ€? on Monday. But Lav took another playful shot today and I wonder if Eric may try to talk with him about this.
[R44] 8:32 pm: Randy, what is the situation with Tim Dwight? As long time N.F.L. follower, I realize the Jets must really like him, because in the â€œNot For Longâ€? league, heâ€™s keeps getting chances, despite his disturbing history of â€œnagging injuriesâ€?â€¦.. I guess what Iâ€™m asking, is will the Jets continue to patient if Dwight doesnâ€™t get healthy soon?
[RandyLange] 8:34 pm: Yeah, R44, I was thinking about that Dwight history today again and I remember writing that Dwight could be a great little addition to this team if he can stay healthy. But right now, I donâ€™t know how much of Dwightâ€™s being deactivated is his health and how much is the current personnel situation the Jets find themselves in. He has said for two weeks now that heâ€™s ready to return and itâ€™s the coachesâ€™ and trainersâ€™ call. Mangini said today itâ€™s precautionary to prevent Dwight from suffering a
[RandyLange] 8:35 pm: relapse of what we think is a thigh bruise. But at some point I would like to see if Dwight can at least put some zing back in the punt returns (theyâ€™re looking a lot like last yearâ€™s lifeless group so far) and can add his speed to the offensive mix.
[R44] 8:35 pm: Thanks for the clarification on the Dwight situationâ€¦.Another question, Randy: Outside of the first round picks, are any of the Jets rookies fairly close to being major contributors on offense and defense â€” i.e. Eric Smith?
[RandyLange] 8:37 pm: R44, Eric Smith got into the safety rotation vs. NE. He came in for one or two series after Erik Coleman hooked Kevin Faulk coming out of the backfield, although Coleman returned in the 4th quarter.Â Thereâ€™s no buzz about Schlegel, who could be IA all year unless they get in a numbers bind at LB. Brad Smith is a constant factor, even if he doesnâ€™t get used much, as vs. NE, because he has really taken to WR and thereâ€™s always the promise of at least one or two throws off the option, etc.
[RandyLange] 8:38 pm: Leon Washington is playing, of course, but other than the KOR at Washington in the preseason, I havenâ€™t seen much out ofÂ him. Drew Coleman is earning his keep so far as a flyer on punt returns.
[tonysxl1200c] 8:37 pm: Randy, speaking of the PUP list, whatâ€™s the latest on Curtis Martinâ€™s rehab? Is there a chance that he will play again, or will he be going on the IR after week 6?
[RandyLange] 8:39 pm: Tony, Curtis Martin is the great secret of the Tangini regime. We have not gotten an update in several weeks. The company line is that Curtis continues to rehab with an eye toward trying to be ready to play sometime between Week 7 and Week 13, probably later rather than earlier. I donâ€™t know what the real story is. I wouldnâ€™t count Curtis coming back, but it just feels as if it may be the end of a great career.
[Sperm Edwards] 8:38 pm: Randy – #1 if you wanted a good â€œwagerâ€? you shouldâ€™ve taken KC to win under 9 games this year.Â #2 – thereâ€™s been some discussion on our boards – any chance weâ€™ll see some lone-back sets with 2 TEâ€™s ? (weâ€™re not throwing to the FBâ€™s; maybe a little more push in the running game while retaining another big receiving target).
[RandyLange] 8:41 pm: Sperm, weâ€™ve seen a little 2-TE, not much. Thatâ€™s another way to try to get some push, but I havenâ€™t seen a whole lot out of Sean Ryan yet, and after all, he was the Cowboysâ€™ fourth TE, which is why Tuna was happy to trade him to Mr. T. But Ryan seems to be in the mix, and they re-signed Zach Hilton, who at least was a big-target pass-catching TE for NO last year. (You may remember Zachâ€™s only career TD catch came vs. the Jets.)
[chadharmamoon] 8:40 pm: With the running game not being productive why doesnâ€™t Mangini go for broke and run Cedric Houston and see how he can do?
[RandyLange] 8:43 pm: Chad, I agree about Cedric. Eric has explained it in such a way that Cedric doesnâ€™t do enough on ST to squeeze ahead of someone else, such as Leon Washington, on the TB depth chart. But my good friend Dan Lieberfield (inside joke) is on the Houston bandwagon, and Iâ€™ve gotten the indication from my sources that Buffalo could be Cedricâ€™s season debut. If that happens, my guess is that Leon gets IA and Tim Dwight also gets activated.
[R44] 8:42 pm: Here is a question, sort of out-of left-field. But itâ€™s a good oneâ€¦Given that the Jets current head coachspent time with both Parcells and Belichick, is he obsessed with the last 5 spots on the roster?
[R44] 8:45 pm: Randy, more specifically, are the Jets constantly shuttle in street agents, more than Herm did, to always get looks at newbies?
[RandyLange] 8:45 pm: R44, he may be obsessed with those final five roster spots. I would favor trying to establish a little more consistency withÂ those spots, trying to develop some players for next season or even this season. I donâ€™t feel that Terry and Herm did that enough. They treated those spots and the P-squad like a revolving door and got rid of people a year after moving them around like pawns. Sometimes the right guys in those spots turn out to be decent role players.
[R44] 8:47 pm: Great answer Randy, maybe the revolving door approach is counterproductive to the theory behind the P-squadâ€¦.to devolop
players in the long term.
[RandyLange] 8:47 pm: R44, I donâ€™t get the sense the Jets are doing more shuttling now than they did under Terry and Herm. I think itâ€™s about the same, which makes sense because Mike Tannenbaum as we all have heard had a hand in the Jetsâ€™ front office decisions under Terry. That may be Mr. Tâ€™s style. And the exchange of Jamar Martin for Zach Hilton? Well, there must be a reason for it that is not obvious, because they cut Zach and gave Jamar a fairly significant role as Kevan Barlowâ€™s fullback.
[MeatyMe] 8:46 pm: Hi Randy, The talk during the offseason was that Teague would play center for a couple of years and that Mangold would start out at guard and move over to center after Teague retires. You mention that there are rumors that Teague may be positioned at guard now. Is it safe to say that the Jets are satisfied with what Mangold is already bringing to the table?
[RandyLange] 8:49 pm: Meaty, I donâ€™t want to give the impression that Iâ€™ve heard Teague is a guard now, just that Mangini has said he will work at G, C and T. But the coach recently said heâ€™s been pleased with Mangoldâ€™s progress. In my video study, I havenâ€™t seen a lot of major problems with Nick. I think heâ€™s holding his own and he may be one of those exceptions to the rule that you donâ€™t want to put a rookie at C because the position has so much going on and itâ€™s better for a veteran to handle it.
[Gainzo] 8:50 pm: Randy: What are your thoughts on the Patriots chances to go deep into the playoffs?Â It seems the national media has already written them off as â€œwashed upâ€? and that the Patriots moves will come back to haunt them (McGinest, Vinateri, Branch)?
[RandyLange] 8:53 pm: Gainzo, I like many have been a big fan of the Belichick/Pioli Pats. I donâ€™t understand all of the money moves, especially Vinatieri. Now I know the Jetsâ€™ defense is not fully formed yet, but the way Brady took them apart early, then struggled, then dissected them on that last drive, maybe that means that Brady doesnâ€™t need an established WR corps. The secondary has some weaknesses but the front 7 still looks formidable. Iâ€™d say the Pats are still SB contenders, but I donâ€™t have a real good feel
[RandyLange] 8:53 pm: yet how far theyâ€™ll go in the playoffs, just that theyâ€™ll go again.
[WestchesterJet] 8:54 pm: How has the transition to Eric Mangini been for you, the sports reporter? Not that your job was ever easy, but câ€™mon, it had to be a little bit easier under Hermy.Â And is Cannizzaro still crying himself to sleep at night now that Hermâ€™s in KC ruining that fine cityâ€™s team?
[RandyLange] 8:55 pm: Westchester, itâ€™s a different world now, but really itâ€™s just a return toÂ a world we all were familiar with under Bill Parcells. Mangini does some things differently. Some things are more restrictive, some things less. But Iâ€™ve always felt the bad reporters complain about the working conditions and the good ones nod their heads and then establish different sources to try to tell the important stories about their team.
[PhinHater] 8:56 pm: Hi Randy, if we beat Buffalo, we will be 2-1.Â Pennington has exceeded expectations.Â If we split betweenÂ Indy and Jacksonville, what do you think our final record/chances might be at 3-2 with the remainder of our schedule?Â Also, do you think Penny will let us down and get hurt again after a good season so far, or is he for real this time?Â Â Â Â Â
[RandyLange] 8:58 pm: Phin, Iâ€™m hopeful for Chad. Heâ€™s a good dude and has shown amazing cajones to come back the way he has. He could get hurt again and then what can I say. Iâ€™ll just mention that Phil Simms couldnâ€™t stay on the field for the blue team from about 1979-83, then he didnâ€™t come off the field from 1984 until he got hurt in 1990. Iâ€™m hoping Chad will have the same renaissance beginning this season. As for the record, 2-3 or 3-2, I think that bodes well for a good final 10 games. This team may be more
[RandyLange] 8:59 pm: competitive than a lot of us thought it would be, and the final 10 games are filled with teams such as DET, GB, HOU and OAK. I feel better now than I did last month that the Jets can make a decent run at 8-8, maybe not get there but at least establish the progress they need under Mangini to set up a firm foundation for Year 2.
[Smizzy] 8:58 pm: Randy, Eric Barton & Bryan Thomas have played well so far. What do you think about them playing in this 3-4 defense. Also, could you do me a solid? Tell Cimini, Smizzy said Cotchery is a houshold name where I live, how about his house? Thanks again for stopping by today. We appreciate you taking the time to chat with us again. Please come back!
[RandyLange] 9:01 pm: Smizzy, Iâ€™m not enough of a football theoretician to say the Jets will succeed or fail in the 3-4. I think they have good people, maybe not at every position but at many. A lot of guys seem like they could do well in the 3-4, Barton and Thomas being two of them.Â The key is Manginiâ€™s (and Suttonâ€™s) vision. He helped build and sustain NEâ€™s 3-4 for six seasons, and he was a lot more than just a secondary coach all six years, despite what some people think. If thatâ€™s what he wants to build here,
[RandyLange] 9:02 pm: then for now Iâ€™m trusting him to make the right decisions and find the right people to make it hum like he did at NE.
[Max] 9:02 pm: Randy here is a question from one of our members that couldnâ€™t be here tonight.Â C.J. Mosley â€” whatâ€™s the deal with him?Â What can we expect?
[RandyLange] 9:05 pm: Max, C.J. Mosley is a cipher right now. Privately, I think he may be concerned that he hasnâ€™t been a 3-4 nose and now theyâ€™re trying to make him one. In any event, heâ€™s behind Rashad Moore, who actually has had some flashes working in with D-Rob at nose. Rashadâ€™s plays have gone from 8 at TEN to 18 (plus five more on goal line) vs. NE. If Rashad winds up being better than Mosley, perhaps itâ€™s no harm no foul, suspect value in the Bollinger trade but great value for a waiver pickup.
[Sperm Edwards] 9:03 pm: A question from 4HCrew who couldnâ€™t make itready to go:Â Who are Manginiâ€™s â€œsoldiersâ€? and who wonâ€™t be back next year?
[RandyLange] 9:08 pm: Sperm, thatâ€™s an interesting question. Perhaps for obvious reasons, Vilma, Barton, Chatham, Rhodes, maybe Dyson, Pennington, Blaylock,Â probably all the rookies, Cotchery â€” those are the soldiers. Shaun Ellis surprised me with a strong recommendation after the TEN win. Kimo. As for who wonâ€™t be here, I donâ€™t have a great feel on that. Is Justin Miller Manginiâ€™s kind of safety and personality? I donâ€™t know. Will McCareins stick? Will D-Rob be moved? Those are some of the questions I have.
[Sperm Edwards] 9:08 pm: that is, if you can answer that one Randy; I know you still want to interview these guys – even the stiffs.
[RandyLange] 9:10 pm: Yeah, thatâ€™s the only problem. I donâ€™t want to hang a hat (as Walt Michaels always used to say) on Justin Miller, for example, or Coles. Theyâ€™re both kind of edgy guys whom Mangini may like or may not like. But theyâ€™re both talented players who maybe can co-exist with the new regime. So Iâ€™d like to see everyone get thru this first season of Mangini-ball before I write anyone off.
[R44] 9:09 pm: Randy, the Jets will face a Bills team with a stuggling offense. We know thatâ€¦However, Iâ€™ve watched them the last 2 weeks and their defense has been stellar. They have 4 or 5 rookies doing good things on defense (Whitner, ect.) and their DEâ€™s (Schobel, Denney and Kelsay), who were much maligned in the upstate N.Y. media coming into the season, have been absolute terrorâ€™s off the edge both weeksâ€¦can the Jets young O-line handle the Bills hot D-line and keep Chad standing in the pocket?
[RandyLange] 9:12 pm: R44, the Billsâ€™ defense is scarier than I thought it would be. They all play with great motors, which I guess was Dick Jauronâ€™s secret ingredient. Fletchere and Spikes are top LBs and Spikes apparently will play SUN. Schobel and Kelsay may have been getting heat but they have had some very good games vs. the Jets. Itâ€™s a dangerous matchup, and yet their secondary and their third-down defense have been suspect and thatâ€™s where Chad has been making hay the first two games. So whileÂ I believe this
[RandyLange] 9:13 pm: is a tough spot for the Jets, I think they can still pull a win out of The Ralph, especially if they get it done against McGahee, whom I just never have warmed up to even though heâ€™s pounded the Jets in the last three meetings.
[R44] 9:13 pm: Thanks Randy, this is sort of a â€œsoftballâ€? question: Are there any â€œlesser knownâ€? Jets in that locker room that the media and players just love due to their personality and upbeat nature?â€¦.Maybe even a practice squad player that just is so nice and likeable , that the media and players canâ€™t help but root forÂ to make a bigger impact?
[RandyLange] 9:18 pm: R44, let me think. â€¦ I think Kerry Rhodes, although not unknown, has a lot of those qualities. I really think Kerry is on the way to Pro Bowl recognition some day. I know the players love and respect Eric Barton. On offense, Kendall keeps them laughing, I hear. Matt McChesney, the multiply tattooed one, is back on the P-squad and I sense he can be loosy-goosy. Those are a few names that come to mind.
[R44] 9:20 pm: Randy, honestly, doing a draft site I know a lot of the players on N.F.L.Â P-Squadsâ€¦.and McChesney was, honestly, the inspiration behind my question â€” I know heâ€™s a real flake â€“in a good way.
[WestchesterJet] 9:13 pm: the Jets are notoriously bad in Buffalo
[RandyLange] 9:15 pm: Yes, they are, Westchester. Lost 8 of their last 11 there and havenâ€™t held a second-half lead in any of the 8 losses. If that continues SUN, the Bills fans will eat them up in their home opener.
[WestchesterJet] 9:17 pm: Chad Morton is the only reason the Jets have won there in the past few years
[MeatyMe] 9:18 pm: Randy, Given Abrahamsâ€™ latest injury problems and the seeming likelihood of continued injury problems, wouldnâ€™t you say that the Jets, at least, came out even with Mangold?
[RandyLange] 9:21 pm: Meaty, I didnâ€™t like giving up Abraham the edge rusher. But that was another of those divorces that benefitted both sides.Â I like getting Mangold with that pick from ATL. And I still canâ€™t believe some of us in the media still bring up Matt Leinart as a Jets screwup. I can only ask those guys, who would be helping Leinart pick the grass and FieldTurf rubber particles from his teeth, since he wouldnâ€™t have Brick or Nick in front of him. Building the OL is never sexy but it is sometimes necessary
[RandyLange] 9:21 pm: and I applaud Tangini for being proactive in the draft on that matter.
[chadharmamoon] 9:21 pm: From talking to Mangini what kind of sense do you get about his concern about his running game? Do we have any chance of landing Adrian Peterson next year.Â Will Tangini trade up for him, even though they donâ€™t like to trade up?Â And which NT coming out from college do we need to keep are eyes on?
[RandyLange] 9:24 pm: Chad, I donâ€™t know the NTs who are coming up yet. Iâ€™m just real tunnel-visioned once the season starts, although I get my fill of college FB on road Saturdays. (Pearl Street Brewery ahead in BUF.) As for the running game, Mangini has a habit, some probably think annoying but others may think is brilliant, of not expressing any worry about things like the problem running game. He preaches focus, teamwork, toughness, etc., and tries to fix the problem without worrying publicly about it. So I canâ€™t
[RandyLange] 9:25 pm: imagine Eric is happy about the state of his tailback, but he has a positive, unshakable approach to that problem as with all the others, that he and his staff and his players will somehow figure it out and fix it.
[RandyLange] 9:34 pm: Chad, Peterson could be the guy. A lot still has to play out, but if Curtis is not in the picture, which I think he wonâ€™t be, and if Kevan hasnâ€™t shown his â€˜03 form at any time this season, then the Jets probably do need to consider drafting or trading up to draft Peterson.
[R44] 9:38 pm: B.T.Y. Adrian Peterson is a junior, so heâ€™ll have to declareâ€¦but considering Peterson was hoping Maurice Clarettâ€™s lawsuit would pave the way for him to go from high school to the N.F.L., itâ€™s a slam dunk he comes out â€” barring a injury.
[Sperm Edwards] 9:26 pm: A question from Scott Dierking:Â Mangini-Do the players now have a philosophical buy-in to the man, his staff and the way they do things, or is there more that needs to be shown?Â Measuring the players perspective, do the writers see any perceptible changes in the players in how they are reacting to wins and losses (since we have had both), compared to the previous regime?
[RandyLange] 9:28 pm: Scott Dierking (I assume thatâ€™s not THE Scott Dierking, whom I covered for one season in 1980), I think many players have bought into the Mangini philosophy and more than a handful havenâ€™t yet. I did a story a few weeks ago about a few people who werenâ€™t happy with the camp they went through, the penalty laps, etc. Winning and getting better individually and as a team will convince those who are on the fence. But since Mangini will be around for a few years, I donâ€™t see this as an Al Groh repeat.
[RandyLange] 9:29 pm: If Mangini identifies guys who arenâ€™t buying in, well, heâ€™s brought in enough of his kind of guys, so heâ€™ll get rid of the non-believers and bring in some more of his kind of guys.
[RandyLange] 9:30 pm: As for reacting to the wins and losses, Iâ€™d say itâ€™s about the same. Not too high after TEN, not too low after NE. But a difference to me is how the players are looking at the big picture. Herm encouraged his players to talk about their goals, visualize, etc., so thereÂ was a lot of playoff and Super Bowl talk. Mangini doesnâ€™t encourage that. Today he was asked that since heâ€™s so into showing movie clips to the players if heâ€™d show the celebrations of the Yankees and Mets clinching their divisions
[RandyLange] 9:31 pm: titles this week. He said while those moments are very inspiring, etc., they were for things that happened at the end of a long process. Heâ€™s at the beginning of a long process, so he wonâ€™t be showing those Mets and Yankees images to his team.
[Max] 9:28 pm: Randy any buzz on the stadium (are the Jets and Giants getting along) and new practice facility?Â Do the players seem excited about this at all or is it still too far away?
[RandyLange] 9:33 pm: Max, the stadium and practice facility issue are not real to the players yet, although I keep warning them that in two years, if theyâ€™re still around, theyâ€™ll be coming to my neck of the woods. It will be status quo around here almost until the start of the 2008 training camp, because the plan is to break down the complex and relocate it after all the free agency, draft and minicamp stuff earlier in 2008. And the new stadium is coming, I think, two years after that.
[KSJets] 9:34 pm: with the recent stories about Chad and him noticing his throwing mechanics were off, and takng it upon himself to really work hard at changing, and the other stories about Cotchery really busting his ass to improve his speed, those are all great individual efforts to improve themselves, but isnâ€™t that something that the previous coaching staff should have noticed and pushed them to do?
[KSJets] 9:36 pm: I mean, was it really just great individual efforts to improve themselves or more of a failure of the coaching staff to notice it
[RandyLange] 9:36 pm: KS, yeah, there are always going to be things lilke that that the previous regime shouldâ€™ve done but didnâ€™t. But the thought just occurred to me that if Hackett was at least a great QB coach, one that Chad swore by, why didnâ€™t Hackett fix the mechanics? Heimerdinger greatly disappointed me, although he was saddled with a deteriorating situation, obviously. But the thing Herm shouldâ€™ve done a better job of was enforcing the strength and conditioning rules. Too many guys let things slide last
[RandyLange] 9:38 pm: off-season and last season, and some (not all) of those guys wound up getting hurt. Herm didnâ€™t help Markus Paul enforce (through threats of fines) the standards in the program. Herm always felt professional athletes will always do whatâ€™s in their best interests.Â Mawae, before he left, said thatâ€™s just not true. Many will, many wonâ€™t.
[R44] 9:36 pm: Randy, thank you for the time tonightâ€¦..Question: do you believe Woody is truly happy that he got rid of Herm and Bradway and replaced them with the â€œTangini duoâ€?â€¦â€¦Any regrets by the Jets front office, perhaps, that Herm wasnâ€™t sent packing prior to the 2005 season?
[RandyLange] 9:41 pm: R44, yes, I think Woody was happy ultimately with the transition to Tangini. I believe he did a good job of hiding his growing frustration with Herm wanting to restructure after losing seasons. Now was Herm underpaid by NFL head-coaching standards? Yes. But Woodyâ€™s the owner and I believe he was set to release Herm if KC hadnâ€™t been involved. But no, I donâ€™t think there was a feeling to move Herm out before last season. I believe in the bottom line when it comes to playoffs. Herm got them in
[RandyLange] 9:41 pm: three out of four years. He could have done a lot of things better, a lot worse. But the momentum for him to leave didnâ€™t start until after the â€˜04 season.
[Max] 9:41 pm: Randy on behalf of JetNation.com I would like to thank you for your time.Â We look forward to â€œchattingâ€? with you again in the future.Â We really appreciate you stopping by tonight, we know how busy you are right now!Â We look forward to your articles, thanks for giving us such an objective look at the Jets.
[R44] 9:43 pm: Thanks Randyâ€¦..Great jobâ€¦.Much appreciated and donâ€™t forget to plug your bookâ€¦.itâ€™s a great read.
[RandyLange] 9:43 pm: Max and all, thanks for your hospitality as always. I must leave now and make the long trek home to New Jersey so I can catch up on my beauty rest, then write my Sunday stuff from home tomorrow, then fly to Buffalo and woof down some real wings. And the Lake Effect Pale Ale at Pearl Street is to die for.Â Â Â Â